Where does the first jet engine come from?

[gretchen]

;D well thanks.

and please do take the time to reflect and absorb and ask more questions. it can be VERY confusing... i've been here for almost a year now and my theories aren't even completely solid because i just can't get my mind around some parts.

welcome to the board!

[Madridarko]

Youve been here for almost a year gretch?

[lindapaloma]

I am wondering why he had to die. What told him that 'that' is what needed to happen for everything else to change?
I think he must have felt that he had such a negative impact on people and they were better off without him.
Why couldn't he just start over? Go back to the house and maybe just 'be' where the engine wasn't going to land. It would have been more like a Groundhog Day thing.
I wouldn't change it, but I was just wondering why he felt he had to place himself in that situation...now back to the psychology section I go...

[gretchen]

there is a lot of speculation about why donnie died, but we discuss it in a different thread.

[lindapaloma]

If there is a parallel universe it would seem from the jet engine landing; that the parallel universe is on Fast Forward. If Donnie had lived...would he have been in his bed later when it landed in real time?
Would his mother and sister's plane really have broken up right over the Darko home?
I am now reminded of a book by Talisman and Straub The Talisman about a boy who found a way over to a parallel universe and was able to change things in order to try to save his mother's life. The other Universe was indeed on a faster speed. He could travel in the other world and make greater progress than he could in the 'real' world.
It would seem that the Jet Engine was pinched out of the other parallel (but a little faster) universe.

[gretchen]

Guest-lindapaloma said:

If there is a parallel universe it would seem from the jet engine landing; that the parallel universe is on Fast Forward. If Donnie had lived...would he have been in his bed later when it landed in real time?
Would his mother and sister's plane really have broken up right over the Darko home?
I am now reminded of a book by Talisman and Straub The Talisman about a boy who found a way over to a parallel universe and was able to change things in order to try to save his mother's life. The other Universe was indeed on a faster speed. He could travel in the other world and make greater progress than he could in the 'real' world.
It would seem that the Jet Engine was pinched out of the other parallel (but a little faster) universe.

exactly! you've got it!

we've come to understand that the TU happens in what must be a nanosecond in the PU, little to no time has passed.

the talisman, by king and straub, excellent book! one of my favorites.

and yes madrid, in august i think will be a year here at the boards for me

[Canuckfcuk]

Okay. Here goes nothing:

1. Beginning of movie: we are in Primary Universe.
2. As soon as Frank appears, we are in the Tangent Universe.
3. What had happened was a jet engine from the Primary Universe broke off a plane and during it’s descent through the sky somehow tore through the space time continuum and messed things up, and fell in to the Tangent Universe.
4. The only way to seal up the hole is to send the jet engine back through, only this time ensuring that it falls through the correct path (?), in other words: ensuring that it stays in the Primary Universe.
5. Frank must make sure Donnie survives the initial, Tangent Universe crash because if Donnie were to die, the Universes would remain torn and unbalanced; this anomaly can only be sustained for 28 days, after which the Universe will collapse on itself and be swallowed up ‘black-hole-like’.
6. Frank leads, and guides Donnie through the Tangent Universe and makes sure events conspire to motivate Donnie to go to the Primary Universe and put the jet engine back on its regular path.

Now:

1. The initial jet engine DOES NOT have his mother and sister on it (?). It’s just a plane from the Primary Universe that loses its engine.
2. The second jet engine DOES have his mum and sis on the plane as this was set up by Frank as an Ensurance Trap; to make sure Donnie would want to put the jet engine in to the Primary Universe and close the torn portal, thus cancelling the Tangent Universe. So, the mum and sister DO die in the Tangent Universe, but not in the Primary Universe.
3. The jet engine the second time around has been sent on its correct path by Donnie, and it does NOT tear through to a parallel universe: unfortunately the jet engine’s correct path is directly in to Donnie’s bedroom.

Now:

1. Donnie doesn’t necessarily have to die in the Primary Universe (the end of the movie). He is in the Primary Universe, not in the Tangent Universe; all the stuff that happened in the Tangent Universe need not happen in the Primary Universe. A whole different series of events may very well be able to’ve happened.

This of course is all open to speculation, and Donnie’s death remains a major debate topic for DD fans. Yes?

2. Is this correct?

3. I am not sure about the ‘fast-forward Tangent Universe topic’ above. Might you be able to dumb it down a bit for me?

[Bigboy]

Pretty much bang on there, though the origin of the (first) engine (3.) is a little fuzzy.

2. The second jet engine DOES have his mum and sis on the plane as this was set up by Frank as an Ensurance Trap; to make sure Donnie would want to put the jet engine in to the Primary Universe and close the torn portal, thus cancelling the Tangent Universe. So, the mum and sister DO die in the Tangent Universe, but not in the Primary Universe.

Hmm... Not so sure about this part. If I were Donnie and I knew that my mum and sister were on the plane, my gut reaction would be to NOT put them in danger by ripping off the engine. So I doubt that Donnie is aware that his family are aboard - it could only be detramental to the Ensurance trap.
Also, by sending the engine back, the TU is closed - so the plane doesn't have time to crash, even assuming that it would (even a 4 engine jumbo can cope on 1 engine - and it's certainly enough for a controlled landing on final approach).

[Canuckfcuk]

But the movie does show their plane being destroyed. They do 'die' in the Tangent Universe. Donnie sends the TU jet engine through to the primary universe, thus closing the hole. So he knew (I'm thinking) they would die in the Tangent Universe, but by sending the jet engine through to the Primary Universe, they would be alive; the TU would be cancelled and they would be alive.

[Bigboy]

But the movie does show their plane being destroyed

No it doesn't. In both versions of the movie, you see inside the plane as the engine comes off, and you see the engine fall into the vortex.
You never actually see the exterior of the plane, and you certainly don't see a crash or explosion.

There is alot of shaking and screaming insde the plane - but you can't conclude from that that they are dead...

[Deano5]

What is the whole point in Donnie flood out the school?

Thats the only thing in my conclusion that i am not sure about.

cheers

Dean

[lindapaloma]

"Thats the only thing in my conclusion that i am not sure about."
Dean,
The only thing???!!!

It has been over two months since I have seen it and this 44 year old brain can barely even remember the flood.

[Bigboy]

Donnie flooding the school means that he gets to walk Gretchen home, and they become a couple - this is essential to the 'Ensurance Trap'

[Dean]

if donnie didnt flood the school gretchen or frank wouldnt of died in the first place.

also i say my conclusion not yours!

Goodbye!!!

[grahamgreene]

Is it Frank that shows Donnie were the gun is?
If so why did he show Donnie in the first place if he knew donnie was going to shoot him.