is donnie a virgin when he dies

[greedy]

we see him making out with grechen but dose he really sleep with her and if he dose when he crosses the tangent universe dose he go back to not having slept with her

[ProvidencePortal]

Can't say for sure of course, but I'd say all signs (cinematic and character-related) point to Donnie and Gretchen having sex when the camera cuts away. Consider:

1) The movie makes it clear that Donnie's horny -- it's a recurring and central theme demontrated clearly in the "there's a fat guy in a jogging suit watching us" scene, wherein Donnie is basically complaining that he has yet to "get any" through his relationship with Gretchen.
2) The characters are into each other -- their kisses are passionate and they seem genuinely hot for each other (which, by the way, is laudable for the actors ... they seem to have genuine chemistry)
3) It's the "special moment" Gretchen's been waiting for -- both characters are at a critical point, one at which being reminded of "how beautiful the world can be" would serve as a lifesaver for each. The time's right.
4) All signs point to yes -- they're on a bed, at night, kissing passionately, removing clothing ... and the camera pans away shyly at just the right point, which is cinematic convention for "hmm ... well, they're busy having sex, so let's look over here for awhile."

Just an aside to this conversation: every time I watch this scene, I'm made uncomfortable by the fact that Donnie's mom is squawking into the answering machine and is audible to both Donnie and Gretchen as they're engaged romantically. Just would weird me out, 'spose.

edit: added missing words

[gretchen]

we also don't know if donnie IS even a virgin before gretch.

it is never made clear whether he has had sex before or not.

;D

[Twitchmonkey]

gretchen said:

we also don't know if donnie IS even a virgin before gretch.

it is never made clear whether he has had sex before or not.

;D

But in the way he talks aobut sex it certainly seems he's a virgin...but I suppose you can never be sure

[Omnipotent]

gretchen said:

we also don't know if donnie IS even a virgin before gretch.

it is never made clear whether he has had sex before or not.

;D

Doesn't Dr. Thurman ask him if he's ever had sex before and he acts all timid subliminally implying that he hasn't? I can't be bothered to go put it on but I recall that being in the Director's Cut.

Anyone?

[Twitchmonkey]

Omnipotent said:

Doesn't Dr. Thurman ask him if he's ever had sex before and he acts all timid subliminally implying that he hasn't? I can't be bothered to go put it on but I recall that being in the Director's Cut.

Anyone?

Indeed he does...but he never actually says he's a virgin

[Madridarko]

I actually do think that Donnie was a virgin before Gretchen, because Gretchen seems to me like Donnies first girldfriend. I mean by the way he asked her out all childish and innocent. I am not saying that you actually have to be boyfriend and girlfriend to engage in a sexual intercoarse but I just doubt donnie was not to be virgin before gretchen. I also agree that nearly all evidence seems to point out that they actually did get some action going on, but because of the camara being "shy" and giving them privicy leaves us with doubt. It is also interesting how Donnies sister smirks as she sees Donnie and Gretchen going up the stairs towards his room, as if to expect something to happen. I just don't think that if Donnie or Gretchen would have stopped each other in an attempt of abstinence, they would have been smiling and so close together when exiting down the stairs.

About the comment on when he dies is he virgin again because all those things did not happen. I think that physically, I guess he would be termed a virgin, but I think that emotionally/spiritually, he would not. (I was going to say mentaly virgin, but that would have been incorrect to state because Donnie has had several sexual mental fantisies with Cristina Applegate. so he is not mentally virgin)

[Omnipotent]

madridarko said:

I actually do think that Donnie was a virgin before Gretchen, because Gretchen seems to me like Donnies first girldfriend. I mean by the way he asked her out all childish and innocent. I am not saying that you actually have to be boyfriend and girlfriend to engage in a sexual intercoarse but I just doubt donnie was not to be virgin before gretchen. I also agree that nearly all evidence seems to point out that they actually did get some action going on, but because of the camara being "shy" and giving them privicy leaves us with doubt. It is also interesting how Donnies sister smirks as she sees Donnie and Gretchen going up the stairs towards his room, as if to expect something to happen. I just don't think that if Donnie or Gretchen would have stopped each other in an attempt of abstinence, they would have been smiling and so close together when exiting down the stairs.

About the comment on when he dies is he virgin again because all those things did not happen. I think that physically, I guess he would be termed a virgin, but I think that emotionally/spiritually, he would not. (I was going to say mentaly virgin, but that would have been incorrect to state because Donnie has had several sexual mental fantisies with Cristina Applegate. so he is not mentally virgin)

Sex is physical nothing more nothing less. I agree with what you're saying though.

[Madridarko]

I dissagree with that, because well you can have like mental fantsies and that would be loosing your "innocence" mental virginity. Or speritually/emotionally, well like I don't know how to explain that part but you might think yourself or feel non-virgin, I don't know. Well anyways.

[Twitchmonkey]

madridarko said:

I dissagree with that, because well you can have like mental fantsies and that would be loosing your "innocence" mental virginity. Or speritually/emotionally, well like I don't know how to explain that part but you might think yourself or feel non-virgin, I don't know. Well anyways.

if thats the case I doubt anyone over 12 is a mental virgin

[Omnipotent]

madridarko said:

I dissagree with that, because well you can have like mental fantsies and that would be loosing your "innocence" mental virginity. Or speritually/emotionally, well like I don't know how to explain that part but you might think yourself or feel non-virgin, I don't know. Well anyways.

I understand your angle but virginity is only lost through physically having sexual intercourse not through thinking about it.

[Madridarko]

Yes, that is nearly truth, almost everyone over 12 has lost their mental virginity (as in few rare "pure" cases) It's kinda lossing your "innocence"
And Donnie has done a lot of this dirty thinking about Cristina Applegate.

Spirutual one, (I belive) is the "love" side of sex.


And I understand your point of view of it, but I repeat, It is MY opinion that there are different types of virginities and not just physical.

I don't know, it's kinda complicated even for me to understand, but hopefully this will help figure it out

In this movie I don't remember which one, this guy falls in love with a prostitute, and they are going at it and things are heating up when they guy tells the girl

"If this is your first time, it might hurt a bit"
the girl responds
"are you kidding me" (she's a prostitute)
the guy says
"I am not talking about sex, I am talking about love"

Hope this helps to get my point

[greedy]

ok lets assume they do have sex then when he switchs to the transient universe to get killed and save grechen dose he reassume virginity (if he was one) or dose his exploits with grechen go with him

[Madridarko]

I guess you mean he moves into the PU instead of TU, (Tangent Universe), in that case because it is almost like moving the clock back/time travelling, yeah physically I think there would never have been any actuall penetration with Donnie/Gretchen, but I bet they were still feeling something when they both woke up.

[greedy]

but what about grechen would she have acted so normally if she thought she had sex with the boy who saved her life by dying