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Post by gretchen on Mar 16, 2005 22:10:10 GMT -5
OK. For all you people who don't like/understand the idea of a tangent universe, here's the "single-universe" theory I created. Sad that you may learn something from a 13-year-old boy. wow. you know, i was going to help you with not understanding frank but now... i don't think so. and if you want to carry on a discussion with the rest of the forum, i highly suggest you adjust your attitude. |
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Post by DonnieDarkoRules on Mar 16, 2005 22:20:09 GMT -5
Sorry if that sounded mean, I was merely being sarcastic. And you probably didn't learn anything anyways, I've only seen the movie twice, I'm no expert.
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Post by DonnieDarkoRules on Mar 16, 2005 22:26:19 GMT -5
And the whole Frank-manipulated-non-existent-figment-of-imagination (woa... wordy...) isn't really importent, prolly just another one of Hollywood's "artistic licences".
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Post by DonnieDarkoRules on Mar 16, 2005 22:26:59 GMT -5
*important
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Post by gretchen on Mar 16, 2005 22:41:18 GMT -5
it's called an edit button, honey.
(((twitchy, do guests have those?)))
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Post by Madridarko on Mar 16, 2005 22:50:34 GMT -5
shakes, the TU is not created due to the engine. the POTT clearly states that TUs occur spontaneously of their own agenda. Well, actually I don't know if I am a bit going against what you have stated here, but the TU appears because there has been a curruptancy in the 4th dimensional barrier (time) meaning that something has broken the time barrier (gone back or forward in time, so on and so forth). So in a way the engine going back in time creates the TU, and one of the first signs of a TU taking place is the appearance of the artifact (that which has corrupted the the time barrier). Also, in my opinion, I don't think it was God's will or "plan" to send the engine back in time.. I think it's quite the contrary, the engine going back in time is something that goes against God's pre-distined future, so he must find a way for somebody to take the burden of placing it back to where it came from. So in conclusion, we may be able to assume that when an event happens that does not accord with God's pre-destined plan, the universe will self-destruct. (of course unless the Living Reciever is able to complete his mission). it's called an edit button, honey. (((twitchy, do guests have those?))) I am sorry to inform you that guests are not able to enjoy that privalege.. nor the privalege to delete their posts... Because if they were able to do that, then any random person could come in and mess up all the guests posts and delete them without anybodies consent.. |
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Post by DonnieDarkoRules on Mar 16, 2005 23:08:14 GMT -5
Yes, I understand the whole fourth-dimension thing; just trying to help people that don't out.
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Post by Madridarko on Mar 16, 2005 23:48:34 GMT -5
I was just trieng to clarify some ideas around here.. and at the same time post the way I understand and percieve some of these things.. It was not meant to be taken offensively.
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Post by Omnipotent on Mar 17, 2005 13:23:03 GMT -5
it's called an edit button, honey. (((twitchy, do guests have those?))) They don't no lol |
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Post by ProvidencePortal on Mar 17, 2005 14:45:42 GMT -5
This is probably the only topic I purposefully shy away from ... because the more I consider it, the more it seems there's a fundamental gap in the (albeit very serpentine) logic of the movie.
I don't believe there's an answer that explains the origin of the first engine in a way that truly supports and shores up the PU/TU/LR storyline. The only proposals I've heard have been completely in the time-travel/fix-the-loop camp, which of course flies in the face of everything Kelly has said and promoted about tangent universes, future scientists and the rest.
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Post by DonnieDarkoRules on Mar 17, 2005 18:32:57 GMT -5
Here is my 2 cents. If Donnie does return the engine to Oct. 30 then the same events could take place (flooding, burning of house etc.), but probably would not since they were manipulated events. Donnie may still die as a result of the engine falling provided he is in bed at the right time on Oct. 30. If Donnie restores the primary universe timeline then probably the only person to die would be his little sister who would still most likely be on the plane that loses the engine. OK I read this for the second time and something clicked in my brain somehow. Correct me if I'm wrong, but unless the jet engine came out of nowhere (or God created it, as some theorys are), then if Donnie hadn't put the engine back in time to the 2nd, the first engine wouldn't have fallen at all, and none of this would have happened, now would it? |
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Post by Bigboy on Mar 17, 2005 19:35:42 GMT -5
I dunno - your literal interpretation of 'artifact' as a copying error works pretty well:
-It comes from nowhere (kinda)
-It is a direct result of the corruption and formation of the TU.
-It doesn't require God (necessarily) to create it.
The PU can handle the 'extraness' of this artifact engine, but the TU cannot and will eventually 'pop' under the strain. So Donnie must move the engine (or it's counterpart) to the PU to allow the TU to unwind in a controlled way, etc,etc.
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Post by ProvidencePortal on Mar 18, 2005 8:19:48 GMT -5
your literal interpretation of 'artifact' as a copying error works pretty well. I thought so too, until you offered your suggestion that a copying error and the idea of "returning" the artifact seem mutually exclusive -- a position to which I now subscribe too. Strong reasoning that brought me back that sweet starting point, square one. That was here: darkomovie.proboards24.com/index.cgi?board=ending&action=display&thread=1109624747 |
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Post by Bigboy on Mar 19, 2005 11:52:37 GMT -5
The ideas are only mutually exclusive if we assume that the error occurs within the TU.
Since it is an error (by definition - 'not what should have happened') , isn't it possible that the erronious copying event that produced the artifact occured just on the PU side of the corruption, and that because of it's proximity to the corruption it is 'sucked' through to the TU as it is forming?
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Post by Donnielighto on Mar 20, 2005 23:52:50 GMT -5
I have attempted to read as many posts as possible to catch up with the all of the theorie without causing complete disruption to my playboy lifestyle...
Anyhow, some of this if not all is a rehash, and to most painfully obivious. Sticky with the scientific stuff...leave the rest to the philosophers and religious types.
1.) Originally only one timeline(Primary Universe).
2.) Plane loses engine in this timeline on Oct 30.
Possibly due to the turbulence caused by the
rupture in the time continuum.
3.) This rupture instantaneously creates a tangent
universe where this engine lands on Oct 2nd.
4.) 28 days later the rupture shows up as scheduled in
this tangent universe and DD sends the engine back
to its proper universe(time-line). Tangent universe
dissappears.
The only thing DD needed to ensure was that the engine was sent back through the "time portal".
One idea to keep in mind is that in the primary universe events that have happened will always be that way in that timeline--they cannot change. If things do change this creates another timeline or tangent universe.
Originally it made sense to me that the engine should go back to Oct 30 of the PU. But in further painful analysis, and one additional beer, it made sense it was sent back to Oct 2 of the PU. The events of the PU timeline never changed, it was as it had always been. However, two unexplained events remain to those in the PU--where did the engine come from (oct 2), and Oct 30th, where did they engine go?
As I am writing this it appears to me that this could be an endless loop. But I would prefer not to go there.
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