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Post by fdkgjs on Apr 23, 2005 22:16:32 GMT -5
So this may be a stupid question but why does donnie commit suicide at the end? why doenst he just leave the house like he did the first time. does he just want to kill himself? I originaly thought he did it to save gretchen but then i realized that he didnt have to make the same choices the second time. so... uh... why?
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Post by Tom on Apr 23, 2005 22:27:40 GMT -5
He dies because so much good will come from it.
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Post by fdkgjs on Apr 23, 2005 22:28:22 GMT -5
such as?
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Post by mc2akapantless on Apr 23, 2005 22:33:24 GMT -5
gretchants dieing wont happen, for once.
i cant spell
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Post by gretchen on Apr 23, 2005 23:26:05 GMT -5
honey, the search button is your friend! click it!
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Post by fdkgjs on Apr 24, 2005 13:38:55 GMT -5
gretchen doesnt have to die.. the same things wouldnt happen any way because the people from the future arent going to manipulate everyone this time. he might not even meet gretchen because drew barrymore might not ask gretchen to sit by the boy she thinks the cutest. so i see no reasonwhy he should die.
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Post by greedy on Apr 24, 2005 13:42:31 GMT -5
then you are a blind man and we can not feel for you
(full pun intendid)
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Post by fdkgjs on Apr 24, 2005 14:31:37 GMT -5
fine... so aparently he thinks its going to be like butterfly effect and somthing bad is going to happen no matter what.
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Post by gretchen on Apr 24, 2005 20:30:25 GMT -5
okay sweetie. *pats you softly on the head*
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Post by Bigboy on Apr 24, 2005 21:40:39 GMT -5
Actually I think that fdkgjs hit the nail on the head. There is no logical reason to believe that the events that ocurred in the TU would play out again in the PU - Donnie would not be manipulated in the same way by MD or ML because in the PU there is no such thing.
Frankly I thought better of most people here than to ridicule someone for a valid and reasonable view.
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Post by ProvidencePortal on Apr 25, 2005 7:25:58 GMT -5
Frankly I thought better of most people here than to ridicule someone for a valid and reasonable view. No kidding -- and to do so in support of a point of view that's roundly considered wrong is even worse. To BB's point: as far as we've been able to divine, there is no reason related to the destruction of the Tangent Universe that Donnie has to die. Once he's sent the engine through the portal, he has closed the Tangent and saved the Primary. However, many of us believe the movie is about Donnie's journey to enlightenment, and that, as a Living Receiver, he believes his death as part of the process will reveal to him God's grand plan. This is commonly cited as the reason Donnie is laughing in the end: he feels loved, not alone, and has come to completely believe and trust in God.
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Post by Bigboy on Apr 25, 2005 20:22:01 GMT -5
I'm familiar with that idea - and I don't think that my post refutes it. If Donnie dies because he chooses to based on newfound beliefs that doesn't mean he had to die by any deductive reasoning. If he'd ended up with a different ideology at the end he could have quite happliy avoided the engine with no ill effect on himself or the universe in general.
Basically I'm saying that the ideas that he didn't have to die, and that he chose to die based on new found faith aren't mutually exclusive.
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Post by ProvidencePortal on Apr 26, 2005 11:35:42 GMT -5
You're right. I must have been unclear. I was agreeing completely with you, Big. One of my first strings of contributions to the board were to disentangle the idea that Donnie saves the universe from the (mis)conception that he had to die to do so.
No need for him to die to save the universe; potentially some need for him to die to faithfully fulfill the LR cycle. The second idea there is pretty much entirely meta-narrative we've added to the movie through external texts, but it's one I'm pretty comfortable with.
Again, agreeing entirely. Apologies if I seemed to be doing otherwise.
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Post by Bigboy on Apr 26, 2005 11:41:22 GMT -5
Oops! Sorry! Had just finished a 12hr LOTR extended cut marathon (with beer and buddys) - so my brain was a little fried ;D
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Post by MoonageDaydream on Apr 28, 2005 0:10:25 GMT -5
Oops! Sorry! Had just finished a 12hr LOTR extended cut marathon (with beer and buddys) - so my brain was a little fried ;D I've always wanted to have one of those. The complete Star Wars marathon will be intense.
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