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Post by rightfielder21 on Oct 22, 2004 21:40:48 GMT -5
Perhaps that was the best time for Donnie to die? A deleted scene of of Donnie and Gretchen in the arcade has dialogue during which Donnie describes waking from his sonambulations with a memory that slowly fades. If Donnie had not died, the memory of his reasons for hope and "lots to look forward to" in finding God would be lost after a few minutes. By dying then, well actually by being squished without his consent, Donnie dies hopeful. Had Donnie died later in the PU he might have reverted to his previous state of uncertainty regarding God, hope, and dying alone. Exactly... That is why I believed he chose to die... We have to remember that before this all happened Donnie wasn't the model of happiness and functionality... He had many "issues"... He knew he most likely would have never felt the same euphoric feeling he had that that time, and not not having been happy much in his life, didn't want to lose that feeling... So he chose to stay in bed... That's what I make of it...
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Post by josh on Oct 22, 2004 21:59:29 GMT -5
I have a hard time accepting that Donnie chose to die since it wasn't necessary. Had a suicide (not mine) once that did that and I understand the logic of it, but not the beauty. Kind of like that Emelio Estavez movie Freejack. The short time-line between choice an effect provides some grace. But still.....#nosmileys
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Post by Bigboy on Oct 22, 2004 22:32:40 GMT -5
I don't think he really saw it coming - even the LR recalls things as a dream, albeit a very vivid one. If I woke from a dream like that I'd probably laugh too -out of sheer relief! His metaphyisical revelations would still hold true even if it was all a dream, so he smiles and goes back to sleep.
I know I've said this before elsewhere but it seems more appropriate here.
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Post by josh on Oct 22, 2004 22:36:40 GMT -5
I like that idea.
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Post by ¤(ø[¤-{cellar door}-¤]ø)¤ on Jan 1, 2005 8:24:55 GMT -5
*inserts spanner* could this be just a very vivid daydream.
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Post by Cameron on May 4, 2005 6:09:43 GMT -5
Here's my take on the movie... Frank = God, Donnie = Jesus, Donnie dies at the end because he has to... all time is predecided as he says in a discussion with Prof. Monitoff. Frank being god is discussed in Donnies last conversation with Dr. Thurman where he says "I have to obey him... then i'll never know his master plan" watch those scenes again and it should be clear... also ask "why did Jesus die" - so that people could get into heaven despite thier sins.
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Post by Cameron on May 4, 2005 6:13:20 GMT -5
(cont.) So you see, Donnie had no choice as to whether or not he would die because all time is predeciced and nobody has any real choice - everything follows along set path.
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Post by Madridarko on May 4, 2005 22:46:15 GMT -5
There are people that view Donnie as a representation of a Christ figure. But I had never thought of Frank=God....
But if my memory does not fail I think that Donnie actually says "then I will never know their masterplan" (or THE masterplan)...
Also, how would you explain the "They made me do it" phrase with you're model??
I am not saying that there is anything wrong with it.. It is perfectly usable, but there can be some weak spots... But it can be used to be incorporated into other theories...
Again, congrats, I wouldn't have been able to make that relationship of Frank=God by myself...
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Post by lindapaloma on May 5, 2005 22:30:19 GMT -5
In the whole scheme of things I think that all of us realize that sometimes the smallest of our actions can have huge consequences. I was thinking that Donnie was being shown by Frank what life would be like if he lived (unlike It's a Wonderful Life where the main character is shown what life would have been like if he were never born) Donnie must have felt that all the bad that was happening was somehow his fault for surviving that jet engine landing. He thought that any outcome would have been better if he had not lived. Because really he was never shown 'that side'. He must have been hopeful about it. I wonder if the girl would ever have found anyone as special as Donnie was to her, I wonder how his family was able to handle his death, I wonder if the pedophile was ever caught and how many possible victims he might have had if he was not caught? I am by no means resolute on what this movie means and I sure do like reading what everyone else thinks!
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Post by Bigboy on May 6, 2005 10:01:46 GMT -5
This idea has been proposed before and seems pretty popular. But one big difference is that Clarence (angel in It's a Wonderful Life) did not interfere with the events he was showing George. But Frank does - he specifically steers events by influencing Donnie's actions. So my problem is that whether Frank is a guide showing Donnie his future, or fixing the universe by closing the TU, there is no reason for Donnie to follow the same course of actions back in the PU/Original timeline - because Frank won't be there.
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Post by darko first timer on May 6, 2005 12:27:25 GMT -5
this will probly sound stupid.... maybe there sound be a first timer board!!
everyone seems to base alot of their theory on the first jet engine "not supposed to be there"and then subsequently go on about how there is a plan(everyone following a set path...)... thus a great contradiction is formed??
i know you can jus say it came from a parrallel universe. ok so hmmmmmmmmm...... how was any of this remedied by going back in time to do it again?? damn im confuddled
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Post by Phil on May 6, 2005 12:31:39 GMT -5
the engine had to be send back to the PU in order to close the black hole that was threating to destroy the PU along with the TU
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Post by first timer on May 6, 2005 12:51:05 GMT -5
how did the 2nd engine close the hole? ill just assume ya didnt mean to call it a black hole!!
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Post by Phil on May 6, 2005 12:53:58 GMT -5
well its the artifact that has to be send back, and it jsut so happened that this time around the artifact was a jet engine
it was a black hole wasnt it? :/
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Post by first timer on May 6, 2005 13:02:07 GMT -5
em nope dont think so phil
black holes pull stuff in.. they cant "let" it escape .... theyr too massive.. wormhole is the one ur lookin for me thinks
think ill go watch it again!! develop some proper theories...
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