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Post by sirius on Jan 30, 2004 21:00:15 GMT -5
Aright. I seen posts explaining how there was two Franks, about the ket engine, ect.
But, what was the point of Frank making Donnie leave his room so the engine wouldn't kill him (right away anyway). I know there's a theory (Don't know if it's true or not) that it was all a dream. If it was, then it makes sense. If it wasen't, it didn't seem like Donnie was going to leave his room anytime soon, so why would have Frank drug him out of bed anyway?
Hopefully I phrased that all to make sense...
Sirius
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Post by static on Feb 7, 2004 11:08:05 GMT -5
Because when that jet engine crashs at the beginning of the movie, that's not supposed to happen. Because at that point there is no tangent universe from which the engine could come from, and thus a paradox and a tangent universe is created. God or a divine being knows about this little glitch and being divine can see all of time naturally. So God in this tangent universe has to make damn sure that somebody puts the engine from the tangent universe into the primary universe. Donnie being closest to the paradox gets the lucky task. So God in the form of Frank (remember deleted scene "God Loves His Children, Donnie.") tells Donnie to wake his ass up and saves him so he can inevitably save the world. Hope that made sense also ;D
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Post by C Agent B on Feb 22, 2004 22:09:47 GMT -5
hi static!
In my opinion, the end of the world does mean the end of the world for Donnie personally. He has the decision either to sacrifice himself or live on (without doing the timetravel) without his hearted-ones. Both ways are a tragedies for Donnie and from this point of view - the end of the world. Furthermore, Frank doesnt´t say that the world MIGHT end but he says the world WILL end. And that occured. Donnie didn´t ever have the chance to evade is tragedy. So his world finally ended, just like Frank predicted.
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Post by muscles on Jul 6, 2004 14:22:12 GMT -5
hey all heres what i think
he's sacrificed himself to prove that god exists, that god is indeed sovereign over everything and if god exists then no one dies alone, it is safe to die, and the worlddoesn'thave to come to an end. his death does change the future but he laughs becuase he's laerned that death isn't the worst thingthat can appen to a person.
remember this movie all through it is tryoing to answer that one question do we die alone.
hope you see my pont ;D
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Post by Pax on Jul 11, 2004 18:17:02 GMT -5
I agree, one of the points of the film is to answer the "dying alone" question. As I've said before, although "Darko" is not an explicitly Christian film, it presents many questions and concepts central to Christianity, most obviously the question of free will and pre-destination. I think Kelly would have tackled these issues more explicitly if given the opportunity. I wonder if the "God Loves His Children" line was deleted out of corporate fear. Anyway, God DOES love His children, even though sometimes it seems very, very hard to see. John 3:16, look it up. Donnie Darko is a film about love, sacrifice, and redemption. Not exactly themes alien to Christianity. This movie is a masterwork, and challenges the viewer to make some sense and ask questions. Never a bad thing. Peace out.
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Post by reignman on Aug 4, 2004 16:17:40 GMT -5
I think the point of the movie was that it can work with or without the existence of God, and that we can never prove or disprove the existence of God. However, the main character is an agnostic afraid of death who dies no longer afraid of death and it ends up being for the greater good.
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Post by justme314 on Aug 5, 2004 14:04:02 GMT -5
well said Pax.
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Post by krc1969 on Aug 5, 2004 14:18:18 GMT -5
I too think that the "end of the world" is DONNIE'S world, not the literal world. How could the world have ended from that plane engine? Or any other way, and why does Donnie dying save the "world" anyhow? So, if he had not gone back and changed the way everything happened, do you think the movie meant to imply that his sis and mom would have died in a plane crash otherwise?
Thanks SG
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Post by gargamelthetwotowers on Aug 5, 2004 16:43:50 GMT -5
I'm thinkin' the end of the world and the colapse of the tangent universe are the same thing.
But you just typed that didn't you?
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Post by sorcha on Aug 8, 2004 15:42:32 GMT -5
I think the 'end of the world' does not mean the end of the world. I think it means the start of the Tangent Universe. I have a incling that somehow Frank represented God (of the Tangent Universe?).
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Post by Syris on Aug 25, 2004 19:39:36 GMT -5
It's mentioned in the Theorys of Time Travel book or watever its called by Roberta Sparrow that when the Tangent Universe's time is up then it will cause a small black hole to appear in the Real World causing the end of the Real World as Donnie knows it. That's how the world will end.
In that time Donnie has to replace the missing artifact (Plane Engine), once this is done then the Portal to the Real World will close stopping the black hole from ever appearing thus saving the world.
I'm still not 100% sure I believe that Frank is actually a god of any universe, I see him as merely a messenger.
Thanx for listening
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Post by gupta dynasty on Sept 7, 2004 23:26:19 GMT -5
i agree with muscles. He died to prove that there is a god. He sacraficed himself for his loved ones (mom, dad, sister, and GRETCHEN). IT wasnt a dream, i dont think.
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Post by daewoo425 on Sept 8, 2004 14:16:31 GMT -5
this is gupta dynasty, i just changed my login
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Post by ProvidencePortal on Sept 27, 2004 8:48:15 GMT -5
The question, "why does Frank save Donnie ... if Donnie is only going to die in the end" can be perplexing. In thinking about it, it's helpful to try to be definitive about the settings of the movie -- specifically, to differentiate between what happens in the Tangent Universe and what occurs in the Primary.
Let's start with these two assumptions: during the course of the movie, Donnie only wakes up once in the Primary Universe -- at the end, when he's killed -- and Donnie's mission as the Living Receiver is to save the Primary by returning the Artifact from the TU to the PU, extinguishing the TU in the process.
Based on those two premises, I believe Donnie is saved in the TU at the beginning of the movie. He's awakened by Frank in the TU and saved from his fate below the falling engine so that he may progress through the stages of awareness and, ultimately, send the engine from the TU to the PU and close the rift in space/time. And that, as has been stated by several minds brighter than yours truly here, saves the Primary Universe from the black hole that would inevitably result from the existence of the TU.
Then, after his heroic moment on the mountaintop, we see PU Donnie wake up, laugh ... and get squished.
In this analysis, we at least can believe Donnie being saved at the start had meaning. What I still can't quite accept is that his death at the end -- having ended the TU and thereby saved the Primary -- means anything at all.
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Post by lala on Oct 11, 2004 12:11:12 GMT -5
he had to die. if he didnt everything would happen all over again.
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