Hatch
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Post by Hatch on Feb 28, 2005 0:32:39 GMT -5
The reason I think it was Gretchen's death is that at any other point Donnie could have decided not to die and save everyone, but when the person he loves and relates to is killed his decision is ensured.
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Post by jager on Feb 28, 2005 16:54:14 GMT -5
I would just like to let you guys know that the guy in the red jump suit was from the.....hahahaha just kidding. Just got done reading all 28 pages and I swear if I had to read that fat guy in a jumpsuit line one more time...I wish there was a mod so this thread could be cleaned up a bit, there is tons of good info, but a lot of repeated/misinformation. Still glad I read it, thanks for all of the good info guys. Time to read some other posts. I think I'll check out some of the scientist/DC threads and donnie's death debate, although I'm pretty sold on donnie not having to die. Good stuff
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Post by Bigboy on Feb 28, 2005 17:11:12 GMT -5
Welcome jager. Nice to see someone who reads up before posting! ;D
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Post by gretchen on Feb 28, 2005 17:35:58 GMT -5
the system works! somebody actually READ before posting! thanks jager, and welcome!
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Post by Phil on Feb 28, 2005 19:34:39 GMT -5
I would just like to let you guys know that the guy in the red jump suit was from the.....hahahaha just kidding. Just got done reading all 28 pages and I swear if I had to read that fat guy in a jumpsuit line one more time...I wish there was a mod so this thread could be cleaned up a bit, there is tons of good info, but a lot of repeated/misinformation. Still glad I read it, thanks for all of the good info guys. Time to read some other posts. I think I'll check out some of the scientist/DC threads and donnie's death debate, although I'm pretty sold on donnie not having to die. Good stuff and thats how you gain instant god like status on this board instead of ridicule
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Post by Madridarko on Feb 28, 2005 23:10:44 GMT -5
You're both right in a way - EVERY significant event is a part of the trap, but running over Gretchen is the event that SPRINGS the trap. It's kinda of like a dominoe effect. one action leads to the other so on and so forth, but in the end, one of the last dominoe's will click on a button that will activate an explosion (gretch's death).
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Post by tulane on Mar 1, 2005 14:24:24 GMT -5
When Donnie wakes up at the beginning, he has a brief memory of a dream, and I was thinking it could possibly the dream that he smiles at is the entire story that is about to unfold. Notice at the beginning and end he has that contented smile on his face, not the demonic one that is his smile for most of the rest of the movie. You could almost put the beginning of the movie as the very last scene. It would be an ever repeating cycle. I dunno, just trying to think of something new here. Ya’ll lemme know what you think.
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Post by Lopez on Mar 5, 2005 13:27:41 GMT -5
Ok i just bought the directors cut and read most of peoples opinions on the movie.
-When i rented the original version i believed that an almighty being ( God ) was showing Donnie what would of happened if he wouldnt have died.
- Earlier Darkmystic said that Donnie came from the present and that could be true because remember how Sparrow's book says you need a metal vessel ( bike ) to travel through time.
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Post by Madridarko on Mar 5, 2005 14:20:31 GMT -5
- Earlier Darkmystic said that Donnie came from the present and that could be true because remember how Sparrow's book says you need a metal vessel ( bike ) to travel through time. - Just one quick question please.... When you are talking about "present" what "present" are u reffering to. If you could just answer that please in order for me to understand a bit more completly, thanks.
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Post by Bigboy on Mar 5, 2005 17:20:24 GMT -5
Madrid, I think he means now (the 00s). BUT I don't think a bike would cut it as a metal vessel. I read it as an enclosing metal vessal - so a bike wouldn't qualify. Otherwise you could decend into absurdity; 'I'm holding an aluminium baseball bat - therefore I can time travel' or 'My boots have steel toecaps - that counts as a metal vessel'. plus there is no corroborating evidence that Donnie originated in (our) present - he was expected at home in the 1980s, and no-one said 'Wow! last time we saw you were only 2'
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Post by Guest on Mar 5, 2005 19:14:15 GMT -5
To BigBoy.
You know how you said a metal basebat is a vessel its not a spaceship or a car could of been a vessel and remember how Donnies smiling in the beggining maybe becuse he just found out he traveled from the present (2000 maybe ) but doesnt remember because somewhere in Sparrow's book it says that when you travel through time you dont remeber the journey only a bit just like the ending when everyone wakes up and remembers a bit like jim cunningham when hes crying because of what happened with the dungeon thing and he kills himself because of that. ( go on the official website and it'll show Cunninghams obituary) (donniedarko.com )
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Post by Bigboy on Mar 5, 2005 21:33:53 GMT -5
I not say that. Read the post again.
I fully understand the 'dreamlike' memory of the TU. My point was - if he time travelled from the present how do you account for his age? If you are speculating that he had just popped out of a different TU at the beginning of the movie - well maybe, but a smile is pretty flimsy evidence for this. Also the nature of a TU means that it's timeline begins at the time in the PU that the TU comes into being. So unless Donnie spent 15 or so years in that TU, the concept that he returned from circa year 2000 is groundless.
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Post by Madridarko on Mar 5, 2005 23:17:10 GMT -5
Adding to Bigboy's comment, if Donnie had travelled back in time from 2000's into the 80's how would you account for everybody recognizing him at his present age and not wondering how he had gotten so old overnight?
Also I don't think that by time vessel they are supposing it something like a car and you get in it and time travel or any other vehicle, it is more like a dimensional time travel in which if an object (metal object that is), breaks the delicate and intracetly interconnected time barrier then the whole universe goes into this state of fatal suspension or branches off into a different dimension-universe in which there are different sets of actions.
Hopefully somebody beside myself is understanding what I am writting. (and I personally am doubting of my own skills to understand what I am trieng to say
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Post by greedy on Mar 6, 2005 12:21:57 GMT -5
no no no madrid bigboy you both are correct in my opinion but donnie did not time travel from 00 thats jst ludacris sorry to be rude but next you will be expectinf us to belive in 8 foot tall bunny rabbits come on lopez
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Post by Phil on Mar 6, 2005 15:14:21 GMT -5
yet again, fantastic grammer, spelling and punctuation from greedy
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