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Post by darkofan on Feb 7, 2005 22:46:53 GMT -5
Hi, I read through all the posts, which took quite a while, and I still have a couple questions. The first being I don't understand TEXT donnie sends the engine back to the PU. My second question is why does the first engine that fell need to be sent back but having the one that killed him in the PU is okay? Sorry if everyone else got this right away, thanks for the help I also wanted to say that everyone has done a reallly great job with this thread, it has been very helpful to me, i was even more confused before if you can believe it, and i'm sure it has been helpful others as well.
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Post by darkofan on Feb 7, 2005 22:50:18 GMT -5
Sorry, the first question should be how does donnie send the engine back to the PU? I tried to put it in italics and it didn't work ( pretend that embrasses face doesn't look so sad)
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Post by Madridarko on Feb 8, 2005 1:18:17 GMT -5
Hello and welcome darkofan.
Donnie basically sends the engine back to the Primary Universe using the special "powers" he is granted for being the Living Reiciever in the Tangent Universe. If you don't understand much of what I am saying, these are technical terms referred in the Phylosophy of Time Travel book by Roberta Sparrow, there are some ways of getting your hands on an online version where you can read the text, it is just of great help to read it, it addresses many questions and it just simply makes everything clearer.
Over you're second question, that one is probably a bit more debatable but the basic outline goes like this:
Through a mysterious unknown way, the engine somehow first broke through the barrier of time creating the Tangent Universe. In a way this Universe is sorta kinda "unbalanced" because of this object appearing out of no where when it already exists in that Universe. So donnie survives the plane crash because he needs to send one of the engines that are existing in the same Universe in order to "balance" things out. About Donnie's death, umm there are some few threads that go into deep disscussion about that matter but the general idea is that if he had survived he would have turned out to be something like Roberta Sparrow and he decides to die. So it is permittable for him to die in that case because he has already completed his over all mission or purpouse of saving the universe.
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Post by donnieismyhero on Feb 8, 2005 14:47:39 GMT -5
not sure if anyone posted this because i didn't have time to read through 27 pages of responses... but... from my understanding, which makes the most sense, is the guy in the jumpsuit is from the government. he is in it in the beginning right after the engine hits donnie's house when the rest of his government people are there, and then he is there later when he is watching donnie and gretchen. the reason for him being there is to symbolize the fact that this engine really did come out of nowhere (well, another universe), and the government has no idea where it came from. they know something is up with donnie, they know he is special, but they don't know why. because of this, they have someone watching him at all times to find out what is really going on.
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Post by darkofan on Feb 8, 2005 15:37:40 GMT -5
Just wanted to say thanks for answering my question, it helped.
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Post by Madridarko on Feb 8, 2005 18:51:28 GMT -5
np ;D
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Post by gretchen on Feb 8, 2005 20:58:18 GMT -5
donnieismyhero.
please use the search button.
this particular question is a sore subject around here and we wouldn't like it to be brought up fr the 800th time.
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Post by donnieismyhero on Feb 9, 2005 1:29:41 GMT -5
sry gretchen, first time i've visited here.. however, when i did find a thread about it, it is exactly what i said. except they said the actual agency name instead of the government, which is what i meant... just forgot the name of the agency.
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Post by ProvidencePortal on Feb 9, 2005 8:50:14 GMT -5
I read through all the posts no, I don't suppose you did. however, reading all the posts is unnecessary. reading the posts on the topic you're interested in -- via a search -- is. please search first. simply cutting and pasting your two questions returned plenty threads in which you might have posted and answers you might have been interested in. not sure if anyone posted this because i didn't have time to read through 27 pages of responses... glad you're visiting us. as a guide, beginning your post with something like "I didn't have time to properly research" makes the folks here cringe. while you may not have had time to read dozens of pages of text, you most assuredly had time to click the search button and type six or seven words. please do so in the future -- it helps keep the forums well organized and reduces the number of times folks have to provide duplicate answers. thanks and welcome again!
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Post by gretchen on Feb 9, 2005 9:26:49 GMT -5
thanks for searching donnieismyhero, and welcome to the board!
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Post by donnieismyhero on Feb 9, 2005 14:17:05 GMT -5
thanks guys. again.. first time here, only other time i've used a message board really was for a video game i used to play, and browsed some a few times for some bands i liked... so didn't even realize about the search button. thanks for ur welcoming.. i def gotta register or something. will probably get that done later on today.. ill let ya know what my name is when registered, unless it stays the same.. havent decided yet =P
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Post by Hatch on Feb 27, 2005 6:03:58 GMT -5
In some of the theories posted, there has been mention of two Donnies. Sparrow's book states that the living receiver from the primary universe is spending time in the tangent universe
"The Living Receiver is often tormented by terrifying dreams, visions and auditory hallucinations during his time within the Tangent Universe. "
The outline of the movie can be understood by viewing it through the notes in Sparrow's book. There are still several details such as what event might be the ensurance trap placed by Frank (Running over Donnie's girlfriend?) and many others.
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Post by Hatch on Feb 27, 2005 6:44:36 GMT -5
Someone posted that everything and everyone are working to set an ensurance trap for Donnie. Sparrow's book says the Manipulated Dead are more powerful than the reciever and will set the trap. I believe the trap is running over Gretchen. Killing her ensures that Donnie will kill himself to save the world, but especially the girl he loves.
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Post by Madridarko on Feb 27, 2005 9:49:25 GMT -5
Almost every significant event in the movie is part of the trap, the burning of the house, the flooding of the school.....etc... you see for example if donnie hadn't flooded the school, he wouldn't have met gretch in that personal talk with her, if he hadn't burned the house, his mom would not have acccompanied her sparklemotion daughter the the competition because the annoying gym teacher would have gone with them, because she wouldn't have gone to the trial of the porno-pedophile of Cunningham's.
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Post by Bigboy on Feb 27, 2005 10:09:23 GMT -5
You're both right in a way - EVERY significant event is a part of the trap, but running over Gretchen is the event that SPRINGS the trap.
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