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Post by Hatch on Mar 1, 2005 9:49:48 GMT -5
I don't think the computer-looking screen at the end of the director's cut has to mean someone is watching on it. I thought of it as more of a vehicle for the director to show Donnie going back in time or how Donnie viewed himself going back in his mind's eye.
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Post by ProvidencePortal on Mar 1, 2005 10:03:40 GMT -5
I don't think the computer-looking screen has to mean someone is watching on it. I thought of it as more of a vehicle for the director. That's a perfectly valid read, Hatch. However, most of our discussion on these boards assumes that every bit of the film can be (and, I suppose many of us find it more fun to believe should be) explained in-movie. In other words, many of us understand that things like the PoTT "were created just to help the audience," but we don't accept that as the answer, and instead try to identify a plausible scenario that makes it fit into the movie, its timeline and its characters (a good example is the discussion that's gone on and on about "who wrote the notes at the end of the PoTT"). So, while the overlay can be seen as a visual tool used by the director, there are those (like me) who want to find an in-movie explanation ... like, it's the graphic interface the future scientists are using to view the past. It may seem a funny way to approach the movie, but it's fun and challenging, for sure.
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Post by Hatch on Mar 1, 2005 10:14:31 GMT -5
I hear you. My reasoning for Sparrow's book seeming to appear on the screen and not in-story, is that we are seeing through Donnie's eyes as he reads the chapter. I think it is reasonable to think that Donnie wrote the notes, even the one about Gretchen. I think another example, at least in the director's cut, of the viewer being outside of the world are the eyeball shots we see.
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Post by Bigboy on Mar 1, 2005 10:47:28 GMT -5
I think the eyeball shots are supposed to represent Donnie having info uploaded into him by the 'future scientists' (i.e. it's Donnie's eye) You see it every time he gains a new ability or gains special insight, and the images overlaying the eye represent that information or ability.
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Post by Hatch on Mar 1, 2005 11:12:02 GMT -5
Hmm, I thought the eye was Frank's.
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Post by Phil on Mar 1, 2005 12:49:21 GMT -5
No, im pretty sure its donnies eye. Frank appears in the middle of the eye because he is donnies guide during his time in the TU. Like BB said, it appears when ever donnie gains a new ability. Frank is the MD, manupulated maybe by the people in the future, so they are using Franks body to guide donnie and represent themselves in donnies time line.
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Post by Omnipotent on Mar 1, 2005 13:37:18 GMT -5
I think the eyeball shots are supposed to represent Donnie having info uploaded into him by the 'future scientists' I think you are insane.
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Post by Phil on Mar 1, 2005 13:39:17 GMT -5
Isnt everyone?
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Post by Omnipotent on Mar 2, 2005 2:50:11 GMT -5
No I'm out of my mind Phil, there's a difference. ;D
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Post by Bigboy on Mar 2, 2005 15:58:14 GMT -5
I'm not insane Omni. But the voices in my head are completely whacko.
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Post by MoonageDaydream on Mar 6, 2005 21:19:59 GMT -5
Ok, does anyone have any idea about the fireworks at the end of the "purge"? Or about the National Anthem playing in the credits? Maybe they're somehow connected. It doesn't take place around the Fourth of July... But Southland Tales does. Could this somehow be an inside joke from Richard Kelly? Could this mean that Southland Tales could be in the same storyline as Donnie Darko? I know It's not, it's just wishful thinking (And should probably be in the Donnie Darko 2? Topics). But basically, before I went on that insane (yeah, Phil, I am) idea and potentially embarrased myself with a crazy theory, The question at hand is: WTF is up with the fireworks?
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Post by Twitch on Mar 6, 2005 21:52:38 GMT -5
That theory has actually been suggested on the richard-kelly.net forums before and it just might be possible, otherwise its just sort of stupid if you ask me.
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Post by Bigboy on Mar 6, 2005 23:34:38 GMT -5
You have been reading this thread, haven't you? The fireworks represents the FSs celebrating the fact that they have just saved the universe from oblivion.
The US national anthem is played in an early scene. The sound is coming from the TV in Donnies house and is supposed to reference 'transmissions' through time being picked up in the TU (that particular performance is about 50 yrs old).
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Post by MoonageDaydream on Mar 7, 2005 22:00:37 GMT -5
You have been reading this thread, haven't you? The fireworks represents the FSs celebrating the fact that they have just saved the universe from oblivion. Of course I've been reading the thread. I started it. I actually believe you said earlier... "The celebrations (fireworks, cheering) don't really tie in with future observers. If these people are just tuning in to some past event, then they already know nothing universally cataclysmic occurred - so would the resolution of the TU be a cause for such fervant celebration?" Sorry you got so worked up over a little thing. No one had really answered the question yet, and you posed it as well. FACE! It just seems to me that the future scientists would celebrate the saving of the universe in a more conventional way than... fireworks. To me it just seems so... 20th century. After all, they are future scientists.
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Post by Bigboy on Mar 7, 2005 22:17:01 GMT -5
I'm not worked up, I just thought the question of the fireworks had been addressed.
First off, my question was rhetorical, so no query was posed. Second, it actually did not ask about the nature of the fireworks - that they are celebratory seems obvious to me. I was addressing the idea of future 'observers' vs future 'scientists', suggesting that future scientists seemed more likely to celebrate since they would have had a hand in the events leading up to that point.
Also fireworks are hardly 20th century. They were invented in China circa the 9th century. If they've been good enough for the last 1100 years why not another couple of millennia?
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