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Post by alte13 on Feb 1, 2005 3:37:04 GMT -5
I've been reading in a lot of threads where people talk about Donnie sacrificing himself at the end and such. The way I see it is that Donnie comes to understand that he is loved by his mom and Gretchen and that he won't die alone. That much I'm sure everyone understands. But I feel that towards the end he realizes that he's going to die if he closes the Tangent universe because maybe he knows he won't have any recollection of the jet engine incident, but at the same time he'll save the lives of those two people because the world won't come to an end. Does anyone else feel this way or can anyone elaborate on it?
My question is what is the significance of Gretchen asking Donnie about what if he could go back in time and take those horrible things and turn them into something good? I don't quite understand how Donnie achieves that unless I'm taking her statement too literally.
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Post by Phil on Feb 1, 2005 5:47:19 GMT -5
Well, by dying, all the events that happened in the TU never happened.
Which means that frank, donnies mum, sister and gretchen dont die
His english teacher wouldnt get sacked
The school wouldnt have been flooded
And jims house doesnt get burned down
So donnie was able to go back, and prevent all these lives being destroyed by what he did
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Post by gretchen on Feb 1, 2005 9:22:21 GMT -5
beautifully said.
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Post by izzzy on Feb 1, 2005 12:08:47 GMT -5
im in tears  |
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Post by Phil on Feb 1, 2005 12:26:53 GMT -5
well thankyou do i get a prize ? |
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Post by Omnipotent on Feb 1, 2005 13:09:16 GMT -5
im in tears Hahahaha |
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Post by h4m on Feb 1, 2005 13:59:06 GMT -5
you put izzy into tears.. i hope in a good way.. that should be prize enough
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Post by Phil on Feb 1, 2005 14:12:40 GMT -5
But i cant sell tears  |
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Post by alte13 on Feb 1, 2005 14:49:59 GMT -5
But what makes you think that if Donnie hadn't died then all those events would be repeated? I don't think those events would have happened over again because Donnie wouldn't have been manipulated by Frank into doing those things. And plus all those events get erased once the TU ends.
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Post by gretchen on Feb 1, 2005 18:20:19 GMT -5
we don't necessarily believe that the events of the TU would be repeated exactly as they occured.
what many of us do believe, is that if donnie had not chosen to die, he would have lived a life of solitude and regret. he would be alone. but by choosing to die when he had realized the love of gretchen, and the truth of 'god', then he knows he will not be alone, and that he is capable of being loved.
he followed the path and all is righted in the world. if he hadn't, we can only assume that things would unfold not as pleasantly for him as well as others in the PU.
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Post by alte13 on Feb 1, 2005 21:50:03 GMT -5
OK, thanks for clearing that up. I guess then that all goes back to the theory that a similiar thing happened to Roberta Sparrow, only she chose to live, which is why she's alone now.
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Post by gretchen on Feb 1, 2005 22:15:15 GMT -5
that's the idea some of us have come up with.
there's no right answer to DD, it's something you have to interpret on your own, so don't let anyone tell you it's just one way.
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Post by colin on Feb 18, 2005 0:37:42 GMT -5
Well, by dying, all the events that happened in the TU never happened. Which means that frank, donnies mum, sister and gretchen dont die His english teacher wouldnt get sacked The school wouldnt have been flooded And jims house doesnt get burned down So donnie was able to go back, and prevent all these lives being destroyed by what he did But by saying this that would mean donnie would be killed by an engine off of nothing again. Cause if the engine comes from the TU into the PU it still dosent come from anything in the PU. I dont get it! |
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Post by Alex on Feb 26, 2005 18:55:24 GMT -5
I agree with the last post.
The world is going to end, because the ENGINE is the problem, and the engine comes again from the future to kill (this time) Donnie. So Donnie is dead on 2 (?) Oktober, and 28 days later the universe must collapse because of the engine.
Another thing about why he chooses to die. He saw in the future that some people would love him, but he also realises that they are going to die, and let him alone again. So the frase that "everybody dies alone" is true. Is true now on 2 Oktober, and it will be true in the future where Gretchen is dead..
But I think that he comprehends that there is something else... At the end we know what he has written in the letter. And there he says something that makes me believe that he has the comprehension of the life, the illumination or how do you call it. This is why he laughs.
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Post by Phil on Feb 26, 2005 19:02:33 GMT -5
The world is going to end, because the ENGINE is the problem, and the engine comes again from the future to kill (this time) Donnie. So Donnie is dead on 2 (?) Oktober, and 28 days later the universe must collapse because of the engine. The TU is the problem, and the engine is what will prevent the PU being destroyed when the engine is sent throught the portal back to the PU from the TU |
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