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Post by ZwanSP on Oct 13, 2004 4:41:29 GMT -5
After watching the movie for the 3rd time with a friend, I really feel like I understand it all.
What I haven't seen people talk about is one of the most beautiful parts of the movie, that of DONNIE'S MOTHER.
At the end, everyone affected by Donnie's sacrifice KNOWS it. Frank feels his eye because he knows he won't die. The psychiatrist cries because she knows what Donnie did. Patrick Swayze cries as he realizes his sin. Gretchen HESITATES when the boy asks her "Did you know him?" when they watch the accident at Donnie's house, indicating that she KNOWS what Donnie did for her. And Donnie's mother waves to Gretchen; whether his mother KNOWS that he died to save this girl in addition to herself, it's a beautiful juxtaposition: the mother waving to this girl that was indirectly responsible for Donnie's death (in that Donnie was motivated to save her by killing himself).
Was just wondering if anyone else made these connections; that the people effected by Donnie KNEW of his sacrifice (which is why the mother is separate from the rest of the family in the final scene; she is both sad and proud of her son's death / sacrifice).
FANTASTIC MOVIE, and 100% better after 3 viewings. I feel like I understand it oh so much better, and it is so beautiful.
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Post by rightfielder21 on Oct 13, 2004 5:36:23 GMT -5
You are almost all the way there... Take a look at The Philosophy of Time Travel... www.tonystuff.co.uk/darko-time.htmThe part theat relates to this thread is "Dreams" down at the bottom of the page... Good job so far...  |
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Post by gretchen on Oct 13, 2004 9:53:35 GMT -5
welcome to our world, zwan check out the POTT as RF says, and do a search on character affects, there's a discussion about what is going on with the rest of the characters that you may be able to lend some insight to. |
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Post by blaqkaudio on Nov 22, 2004 11:19:07 GMT -5
Gretchen HESITATES when the boy asks her "Did you know him?" when they watch the accident at Donnie's house, indicating that she KNOWS what Donnie did for her. . aye i noticed that too.. a very interesting idea. |
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Post by Omnipotent on Nov 22, 2004 11:29:54 GMT -5
Yeah this has been discussed before, interesting element.
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Post by donniedarko666 on Dec 2, 2004 14:54:01 GMT -5
interesting... very interesting...
but i actually have never noticed that... lol i'll take a look at that when i watch DD next.
des
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Post by ProvidencePortal on Dec 9, 2004 14:25:13 GMT -5
As if you ever watched the movie in the first place. I wouldn't think anything "interesting" would reach your thick skull, but you sure can fake it eh? Wow -- that's harsh. Why such venom from a first-timer? |
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Post by blueeyes19 on Dec 9, 2004 15:13:50 GMT -5
This is a very good point. When i first saw the movie a few months ago, i never thought of that but now that i look at it again, it keeps getting more clear. To me anyway. But yeah, that's a very good point.
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Post by the killin moon on Dec 10, 2004 7:07:48 GMT -5
After watching the movie for the 3rd time with a friend, I really feel like I understand it all. What I haven't seen people talk about is one of the most beautiful parts of the movie, that of DONNIE'S MOTHER. At the end, everyone affected by Donnie's sacrifice KNOWS it. Frank feels his eye because he knows he won't die. The psychiatrist cries because she knows what Donnie did. Patrick Swayze cries as he realizes his sin. Gretchen HESITATES when the boy asks her "Did you know him?" when they watch the accident at Donnie's house, indicating that she KNOWS what Donnie did for her. And Donnie's mother waves to Gretchen; whether his mother KNOWS that he died to save this girl in addition to herself, it's a beautiful juxtaposition: the mother waving to this girl that was indirectly responsible for Donnie's death (in that Donnie was motivated to save her by killing himself). Was just wondering if anyone else made these connections; that the people effected by Donnie KNEW of his sacrifice (which is why the mother is separate from the rest of the family in the final scene; she is both sad and proud of her son's death / sacrifice). FANTASTIC MOVIE, and 100% better after 3 viewings. I feel like I understand it oh so much better, and it is so beautiful. by far the best explaination ive heard yet, well done |
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Post by kewell on Dec 28, 2004 20:09:05 GMT -5
I just seen the movie for the second time and I was curious as to why the mother doesn't look sad. Or at least not what would be expected of one who've just lost her son.
This explanation is very good.... Tank you for that.
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Post by abhorsen on Dec 30, 2004 1:05:46 GMT -5
I believe that they all just remeber certain parts of what happened in the tangent universe as though it were a dream. And donnies mom is sad in my opinion she just had broken down yet, she will cry later.
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Post by gretchen on Dec 30, 2004 17:25:49 GMT -5
personally i feel that she was in shock. she was smoking, had we seen her smoke at all the rest of the film? no.
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Post by Elwood on Jan 3, 2005 18:18:40 GMT -5
it's a beautiful juxtaposition: the mother waving to this girl that was indirectly responsible for Donnie's death (in that Donnie was motivated to save her by killing himself). I think that the question of who is responsible for Donnie's death is still unresolved and open to much interpretation. I think it's more clear that the act of saving not just Gretchen but the whole universe from imploding was Donnie's return of the artifact (jet engine) to the Primary Universe, not his subsequent death from being hit by that engine as it landed. In one interview Richard Kelly offered two explanations for Donnie's failure to get out of the engine's way. Either (1) Donnie thought his recent experiences in the TU were a dream, so he wasn't expecting the engine to show up, or (2) he "found religion", and that somehow caused him not to get out of bed (eg, maybe whether his body was alive or dead held less meaning now that he knows God exists and will presumably take care of him after death). But it seems to me that neither of these explanations by Kelly indicate that Donnie needed to die to save the world (the saving was already done). the mother is [...] both sad and proud of her son's death / sacrifice. I agree here with abhorsen and gretchen's comments - that Donnie's mom was in shock, and still trying to sort through the dream-like remembrances of what happened in the TU. Also, even if we think in terms of an explanation that requires Donnie to have sacrificed his life to save the world, it doesn't seem to me that his mom would be aware of that. I expect that she has fading dream-like memories of her specific path in the TU, including the fear that she and her daughter were about to die as the engine fell from their plane. And then she's met with the irony (in her mind) that a fallen engine does kill her son. I don't know how she would have come to the knowledge at this point that Donnie's death saved Gretchen's life and everyone else's, as well. Interestingly, I wonder if even Frank knows. Do Frank's memories of the TU stop at the point he was killed by Donnie, or include his "time" as the manipulated dead, guiding Donnie? |
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Post by crackur on Jan 6, 2005 14:09:41 GMT -5
I think what u said was posted alonnnnnnnnnnnnnng time ago about how they can remember if they were affected closely
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Post by mooseboy on Jan 11, 2005 12:15:55 GMT -5
Actually we do see his mother smoking early in the film (in a deleted scene which may be restored in Director's Cut). The night after the engine has fallen and they all stay in a hotel, Donnie's Mom is by a window finishing a cigarette, which her husband tells her to put out and come to bed.
It would make sense, though, that she only smokes to deal with stressful situations. In fact, in both scenes, it is after the engine has hit the house (once in each Universe).
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