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Post by loser99 on Jan 16, 2004 1:32:31 GMT -5
sorry I havent read every post here so I hate to post a dupe, but did anyone notice that if Donnie never left his bed the alternative timeline would have never taken place. It was inside this timeline that the wormhole took the jet engine back in time. So if Donnie never got out of bed the jet engine would have never hit him. This is assuming the alternate timeline was not just in his mind or anything like that.
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Post by Chris T on Jan 16, 2004 11:27:30 GMT -5
yeah thats a good ASSumption. You probably ASSume correctly. i think something you said bears repeating. "If Donnie never got out of bed the jet engine would never hit him." this makes no sense. At all. if i had never read that the engine would never fall on me.
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Post by greedy on Jan 16, 2004 11:34:11 GMT -5
chris don't bother with sub humans intellect this guy dosn't realize the engine transverse universes donnie had no control over that he's pancake no matter what
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Post by loser99 on Jan 16, 2004 13:58:49 GMT -5
Okay he ends up at the golf course towards the beginning of the movie. This starts an alternate timeline, where he should be dead, but isn't because of an act of God. Towards the end of this alternate timeline there is a vortex/wormhole that rips the jet engine from the plane, transporting it back in time.
If Donnie never got of out bed and ended up in the golf course the alternate timeline would have never existed. It is in this timeline that the engine is teleported into the past. So it is safe to say if this timeline never existed, the engine would never have been teleported, and Donnie would never have been crushed by it. So to repeat my previous statement (that Chris T claims "makes no sense. At All"), if Donnie had never got out of bed at the beginning of the movie the jet engine would never have hit him.
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Post by DonnaDarko on Jan 20, 2004 18:40:25 GMT -5
Your saying that Donnie controled the jet engine??? NO, no. he did not. Not to be mean or anything but it went threw no matter what, he lived because he was sleep walking, Frank just called him so he would go to him before totaly going to sleep on the gulf course, there for in the end of the movie he wakes up, and dose not sleep walk because if he dosnt die he will end up forgeting all that had happend in his "other life" (so to speek) and kill frank and his love. So he goes back to sleep to save them, but i think it all happend (him waking and finding frank) because he must understand why he must die and be woken up so he dosnt sleep walk out again in the end. Understand?
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Post by Frenzal on Jan 26, 2004 2:34:14 GMT -5
Donnie did control the jet engine to an extent. You're right in the fact that the engine was going to cross over no matter what, but Donnie was the one that ripped it from the 747 and put it in the wormhole.
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Post by RAndara on Jan 28, 2004 11:54:32 GMT -5
Have you ever thought about that:
The engine being the the artifact is completely unlogical.
As Donnie manages do avoid the death by being crushed by the engine, he is already in the tangent universe.At the end when the engine falls through the Vortex it is shown that this engine breaks loose from the plane Donnie's mother is in ,ergo from the plane of the Tangent Universe, so it is the tangentuniverse engine.
However, this means that i is impossibly the artifact as the artifact has to belong to the primary universe.
The artifact must be returned to the primary universe in order to close the vortex and to save the world from being destroyed.
And the end of the film there is again another Paradoxon, because in the Primary Universe there are still two engines (the same engines) one on the at this point of time undamaged plane and one in Donnie's room.
That means that the whole timetravel action did not change anything and the tangent universe still has to exist , beacause there is still artifact ( this time a real artifact, because it belongs to the different universe)
Another thing I'd like to add is that Donnie didn't travel through time in my opinion, the time was turned back to the point f the creation of the tangent Universe, otherwise Donnie had had to meet himself in the past.
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Post by Frenzal on Jan 29, 2004 19:21:02 GMT -5
Yeah I agree with RAndara, I don't think Donnie time travelled as such but rather just jumped between two different universes.
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The engine that falls through the roof doesn't belong to the primary universe, that's why a tangent universe is created.
I didn't quite understand what you were trying to say so yeah, that's the best I could come up with.
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Post by RAndara on Jan 30, 2004 4:13:42 GMT -5
I want to say that, the the engine being the artifact is unlogical because, the artifact is an object that belongs to the primary universe, somehow gets into the tangent universe and has to be taken back to the primary universe.
But the engine that kills Donnie at the end belongs to the tangent universe, because it comes from the plane his mother is in and in the primary universe there is no plane his mother is in.
But if the engine belongs to the tangent universe it cannot be the artifact, because of the reason I gave some lines above:
The engine is not taken BACK to the primary universe it is only taken there, as it has never been there before.
I cannot take an object BACK to a place if it has never been there before, I can only take it there for THE FIRST TIME.
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Post by RAndara on Jan 30, 2004 4:23:38 GMT -5
I forgot to say something:
so if the engine really belongs to the tangent Universe, it iIS an artifact in the primary Universe, as it belongs to another world.
So the engine is only an artifact at the end of the film, but not at the beginning,because at the beginning it only fell from the future into the past (but it stayed always in the same world:Tangent Universe) but at the it fell from the future into the past AND from the world it belongs to (tangen universe) into the world it does NOT belong to( the primary universe).
This is the reason for which the whole book of Mrs.Sparrow makes no sense to me!
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Post by CenterSun on Feb 1, 2004 20:01:43 GMT -5
THe whole book by Sparrow shows the spheres that come out of every things chest right. in my opinion the spheres are like tiny timeportals that allow things to move through time. When Donnie sees his sphere when watching football he follows it. but he had to choice not to follow it right, so when he does follow it, it shows that Donnie has realinged himself with the 'timeline of god' (he talks about that with his science teacher) So he relizes that he has to allow himself to be crushed by the jet engine to allow gods timeline to continue and not keep on looping over and over ect. ect.
im kinda tackling many issues here but what the hell!
the whole thing about ulternate universe does make sense but i think it is a universe exactly the same up till the descision that Donnie has to make. its kinda like Donnie decides to live so god is like 'you go squash now!'
oh yeah i think besides being timportals the spheres are also the fate of a person.
hope this kinda makes sense and i was able to explain something you didn't know
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Post by Pax on Feb 1, 2004 21:16:19 GMT -5
CenterSun, just wanted to say that I think you've hit on something important to the movie. The spheres, (actually what Donnie says is "spears," but it sounds like "spheres,") are "God's channel" as Donnie refers to them, and, as you noted, Fate. This is important to the whole "free will v. pre-destination" aspect of the film, but it also says something else. We are all time-traveling. We are all time machines, moving through the 4th dimension. I think that's one aspect of the movie that isn't mentioned so much, we all get caught up in the "tangent/primary/Frank/engine/Roberta/etc., etc." ad infinitum. Maybe the film is saying something much more simple about life, that we all are moving through it, and we all can effect change, and we all have choices. Anyway, something to think about it. Peace out.
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Post by manmadeprotest on Feb 3, 2004 1:42:29 GMT -5
The tangent universe would still have been created, but there would be no chosen one to make sure the engine crashed through again, meaning THE END OF THE WORLD at the time frank said.........donnie was there to stop the end of the world by making the engine crash again.
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Post by BigBill on Feb 16, 2004 14:09:41 GMT -5
I dont belive that the tangent universe could exist without Donnie or Frank. Donnie is the one who is in control of that universe, meaning he is the only one who can prevent it from happening. It exists soly to Donnie, cause he is the only one who will ever expierience it. Also, people act like Donnie had a CHOICE to get out of before the plane hit him. Frank was the one who took him away, and it was Donnies path to be follow.
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Post by nowave on Feb 23, 2004 23:06:13 GMT -5
chris don't bother with sub humans intellect this guy dosn't realize the engine transverse universes donnie had no control over that he's pancake no matter what Sub human intellect? You're accusing someone of being 'stupid' for not understanding some fictional story that can be interpreted in 1000's of ways? How sub human of you! |
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