Sister would've still been on the plane

[Canuckfcuk]

We often use the fact that Donnie's mother is on the plane as one motive to go back in time, etc, etc; however, his sister would've still been on the plane no matter what. His sister wasn't put on the plane by being manipulated like Donnie's mother was (the burning of the house, the child-porn dungeon, Mrs Farmer can't go to L.A.).

Unless 'Sparkle Motion' was manipulated in to winning? Were they?

[Omnipotent]

If Donnie had died do you think his little sister would have been concerned with some stupid competition when she just lost her brother?

[orkad]

I seriously don't think that Sam would have had it in her heart to dance in a competition after the death of her brother. I mean, they may have had their little "tiffs," but it looks like Donnie and her were rather close. I know I couldn't be able to stand on stage and look happy for the sake of some school competition right after MY brother died.

**It seems Omni and I have the same opinion.

[gretchen]

granted, also, if they DID go...

do you think they would have been taking the red eye back?

mama darko chose that flight because elizabeth and donnie were home alone, and she wanted to get back to them as soon as possible.

i'm sure if kittie were running the show that they would have taken a flight the next day, instead of pulling an all nighter.

[sense]

if if if ..........

there was no logical point.
maybe donnies family will all die in a horrific car crash on the way to his funeral.
everythings just speculation
so thus Canuckfcuk's conjecture is as good as any

[Canuckfcuk]

Um...I think I missed something. Donnie's sister at the point when Donnie shoots Frank and Gretchen dies is already on the plane on the way back from the contest? She already performed yes?

Oh I see what your saying: if Donnie didn't go back AND die in the crash and then his sister MAY still have been on a plane, etc etc.

Of course then, this implies that Donnie did have every intention of dieing. But anyways... we won't go there.

[gretchen]

if donnie dies, either samantha goes on the trip, or she doesn't. IF SHE DOES, it is unlikely she would be on a plane at that time, most likely they would take a more regularly scheduled flight.

if donnie doesn't die, it is more likely she goes on the trip. not certain, because we truly don't know. but more likely. and again, she would be with miss farmer and would most likely be on a later flight.

[Bigboy]

Of course if Donnie dies then he won't be there to rip the engine from the plane in the first place - so it doesn't really matter if his sister is on it or not...

[Guest]

Big, I dont support your theory at all, but thats just my opionion! Why do you blast anyone else who has a different point of view, trying to correct everyone on their theories? Did you write this movie?

Ive read your theories on dimensons, but still how the fuck would he rip an engine off the plane - is he supernatural as well - by using the reality theory you are saying he is able to do anything, at anytime - thats too easy to excuse and apply to your theory!

The time travel theory is the best and doesn't leave so many questions unanswered!! He had to die to change the events that happend if he survived.

The end of the World, - this is the end of Donnies World is coming to as he is going to die.

The laughing could be cos of 2 reasons - 1. he has saved the people he loves and 2, he is skizophrenic after all!

You are all intelligent people, but reading way too much into it! The way you are theorising you could mould pretty much any theory you want to the film!

As for Gods divine and heaven and hell - WTF??

Im not religious at all, but that is not the reason I am against this theory.

The film is meant to be taken as the viewer wants to comprehent it, so we will all have different theories and feelings on the film - the director has done a very good job of doing this as can be seen on these boards! He also adds little things to arouse peoples theories, by giving the sicko's initials as J.C as highlighted in another post.

At the end of the day the writers and directors has succeeded in what they set out to do.

All this is just my opionion and debate will go on for many years as it has done already - I am not saying I am the ones who is 100% right as this is my opinion, but can't bear to see people correcting everyone, but 'there isn't a correct answer'.

The movie is interupted in different ways, but we would have to contact the film makers to see which way it is meant to be taken if any at all!

Now, don;t correct me on special mistakes and think Im a muppet, just a busy man who can't be arsed proof reading this post.

No offence intented, just want to voice my opinion.

[Bigboy]

Big, I dont support your theory at all

What theory? I'm merely referring to generally accepted canon as set out by the PoTT, and observation of the movie.

Why do you blast anyone else who has a different point of view, trying to correct everyone on their theories?

Who exactly did I just blast? The only post here that constitutes a personal attack is yours.
I'm just expressing an opinion the same as everyone else.

is he supernatural as well ?

In the TU he does have 4th dimensional (supernatural) powers. Again, this is set out in the PoTT.

The time travel theory is the best and doesn't leave so many questions unanswered!!

Whe I was replying to this thread, I didn't say 'Time travel is wrong'. I was arguing in context with Canukfcuk's original post, i.e. time travel + PoTT.

The film is meant to be taken as the viewer wants to comprehent it, so we will all have different theories and feelings on the film - the director has done a very good job of doing this as can be seen on these boards! He also adds little things to arouse peoples theories, by giving the sicko's initials as J.C as highlighted in another post.

I agree totally. Which is why I don't understand why you would write this:

You are all intelligent people, but reading way too much into it! The way you are theorising you could mould pretty much any theory you want to the film!

[orkad]

Guest-Guest said:

Why do you blast anyone else who has a different point of view, trying to correct everyone on their theories? Did you write this movie? . . .

. . . No offence intented, just want to voice my opinion.

Wow, hostility much? Sorry, Guest, I fail to see where Bigboy warrants this knee-jerk response.

There are many people that share the (relatively) same opinion. And, just like you, Bigboy has his own theories. If you want to discuss conflicting theories you should do so without the ad hominem attacks. Everyone here is willing to listen, but not at the expense of causing undue conflict. JMHO

*edited - Listed Canuck, sorry. Know it isn't you.

[Bigboy]

Thanks Orkad.
Though I couldn't say whether Canukfcuk and 'guest' are the same person (I don't think they are)

[ProvidencePortal]

The addition of the idea of Tangent/Primary universes, Living Receivers, Manipulated Dead and the rest -- all atop an already compex film -- can seem confounding. If one ignores The Philosophy of Time Travel, one could (and, by the way, many have) conclude that the movie must be about time travel, not about parallel universes. And I suppose in some ways, doing so does simplify the storyline. But I don't know I could be convinced that just dismissing a significant portion of the movie's information "wraps up loose ends." It just seems to be ignoring the difficult parts, rather than working at them.

Working at them is what many of us, BB included, find satisfying about discussing the film. We're not looking "too far into it" -- we're trying to reconcile the hard parts to make the movie work as a whole. I can see how some might find that too much effort, and would rather oversimplify. That's their decision, just as its ours to keep building the story toward completion.

And for the record, I have never, ever witnessed BigBoy act in any way OTHER than kind, considerate, thoughtful and welcoming. He is consumately inclusive, willing to engage any idea. To suggest otherwise is at best to be misinformed, and at worst to be stupidly careless in tossing around personal accusations.

[euclid]

hey sorry to dumb down the intellectual conversation here guys...
but the part about donnie ripping the engine off the plane?? i dont get that it just ruins any theory on the film i create!

sorry if its posted elsewhere...

[euclid]

ok scratch that question!! the forums have a search button... handy

found two possible explanations, both thanks to big boy!!!

he uses telekinisis

"I suppose you could say that Donnie is the condiut for 'their' powers" and "they rip it off"

ill try come up with another explaination myself because im not to comfortable with the telekinisis idea. maybe it will grow on me tho!!

great site guys.. so much info