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Post by greedy on May 8, 2005 16:01:21 GMT -5
lol
i think this one will fit in fine she/he has the bite of a big dog
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Post by Bigboy on May 8, 2005 16:07:43 GMT -5
Not a problem - it did sound a lot like our current resident troll!
I totally agree. If it's a new take then by all means post, but post in a relevent place. It's just quicker and easier for everyone else (especially new members) to find relevent info.
Say for example you want to talk about the Donnie/Christ analogy and you find there are already 6 threads on the subject spread across several boards - where do you post? Chances are you won't be able to choose, and you'll start a new thread, making the dilemma worse for the next person that comes along. Before you know it there are 10s of threads all rehashing the same stuff.
It's not like you have to read every word written on the site - just hit 'search' at the top of the page, fill in a couple of key words, set the days part of the "Posted within the last:" section to around 350, set display results to max and hit ok.
A tip for using the search facility is to use the google or msn search bar - type your key words in here too and hit the highlight button on the tool bar (do not hit search on the toolbar, you'll be taken away from the DD site if you do!). This will highlight your keywords in the search results and make them easier to scan.
I don't think it's an unreasonable expectation - I read everything I could when I first got here. It was a few days 'till I first posted and I learnt plenty in the process.
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Post by greedy on May 8, 2005 16:13:57 GMT -5
i wish i would have had the same presence of mind as big boy i shot my mouth off with out knowing what i was talking about it's embarassing
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Post by Bigboy on May 8, 2005 16:36:51 GMT -5
Not really - you just did the shorthand version! ;D
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Post by fran on May 8, 2005 16:48:05 GMT -5
ya meanies
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Post by lindapaloma on May 9, 2005 0:29:37 GMT -5
Hey, I was trying to think of what might actaully work to welcome newbies and to educate at the same time without scaring them away.
It took 6 posts here before the problem was addressed in a kind way. How about:
Welcome (insert newbie name here) to the forum!!! We did talk about that before and a search I just did brought up this thread. Let us know what you about our brilliant theories!!!
or something like that.
Everytime I see the word troll used I assume it is me and I don't find it very helpful.
I don't know why I was called a troll. I started a thread about something that was never discussed here before and then I posted on a thread about Movies that are somewhat like Donnie Darko.
The "Other Movies" thread was a couple of pages back when I posted about my movie and then someone here picked on my movie. sheesh. Did that person ever even see the movie. I would love to know!!
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Post by daithi on May 9, 2005 5:20:32 GMT -5
i love you linda....
xx
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Post by Bigboy on May 9, 2005 6:18:21 GMT -5
You mean this thread? darkomovie.proboards24.com/index.cgi?board=general&thread=1097506694&action=display&start=15I think the troll remark (while a bit quick off the mark) was actually directed at the post after yours. If it wasn't then I can assure you it was a case of mistaken identity - there is one guy (possibly two) that has been recently posting under several guest names (even posing as other people) trying to cause trouble. (nb Nothing wrong with your original post - it was a good find!) My only problem with your idea above is that it encourages newcomers to rely on the older members to do the research for them. There have been so many people that turn up and say or do something on the lines of "I couldn't be bothered to read anything here so could you explain the movie to me" that many older members have become a little jaded when it comes to newbie members who don't do the inital leg work. Ideally we would have a pinned set of board guidelines, but until mod powers are been given out, we can't do that. Greedy drew up a reasonable first draft, but it'll soon be lost in the depths of the general board. |
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Post by ProvidencePortal on May 9, 2005 10:42:00 GMT -5
The hard question in a community, but the one that's its lifeblood, is "what can I do to make this a better experience for everyone?"
We each need to ask that of ourselves. That includes long-timers and new folks.
What seems to sometimes be hard for people who just arrive is that there's a process in place that really is there to make things easier for everyone ... but in the context of the first few posts/experiences, the process -- and, maybe more to the point, being informed about the process -- seems to be daunting and/or off-putting for some. (The process I'm referring to is, of course, search before you post.)
Those of us who find ourselves in the position to educate new arrivals regarding this process are open to feedback, and can certainly try to present our responses in a kinder and more considerate way. (In fact, I believe we have all accepted that challenge; lindapaloma, I bet by peering around a bit you'd find a slew of welcome notes that look nearly verbatim to your proffered one above.)
But, the responsibility is two-way. The processes and expectations in place in this community are meant to keep it up and running on two fronts: appropriate interaction between visitors, and sustainable structure of the information here.
To the first front: would you barge into a conversation someone was having on the streert and introduce an entirely unrelated topic? Would you call someone you didn't know and begin a conversation in the middle rather than at the beginning? Have you ever been on a conference call or in a group discussion where someone joins late and, with disregard for all present, presents a position as though they created it entirely ... and, if they'd checked, they would have found that the group had discussed that very thing, in the exact same words, earlier in the call or chat? Those are the parallels to some of the things that happen when our new visitors don't ask themselves the question about what THEY can do to help the experience here. It's a selfish perspective, and is indefensible.
On the second front: how would it make you feel to discover that the index in the back of your important reference book had been scrambled? Or that the cataloguing system at your local library had been jumbled into chaos because people felt put-out or offended when they were asked to help maintain the order? Like those other examples, this board is sustainably effective only for what semblance of order can be maintained.
Lindapaloma, I do hear you. And I agree that angry rants aren't welcoming. I don't believe they occur here very often if at all in the situation we're talking about (someone posting in an inappropriate area) ... but if they do, they shouldn't be tolerated.
However, I believe it is just as incumbent -- maybe more so -- on someone visiting the forum to abide by the expectations and guidelines that help keep the forum around for others to visit in the future. We all have a hand in it, and all have responsibility for our impact. Just being unfamiliar or uncomfortable is a fine reason for having failed to meet the expectation once ... but it's not a reason to be angry when you're asked to comply in the future.
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Post by gretchen on May 9, 2005 12:22:12 GMT -5
PLEASE DON'T DISCUSS THE 7TH BOOK! I HAVEN'T FINISHED IT!
I CAN'T EVEN READ THIS THREAD NOW! AHH!
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Post by ProvidencePortal on May 9, 2005 13:21:02 GMT -5
I don't see anywhere that the 7th book's mentioned ... just the first. Where/what did I miss?
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Post by gretchen on May 9, 2005 16:44:00 GMT -5
seems i was a bit hasty.
all i saw was "at the end of" and "seven" and got all upset.
silly chicky.
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Post by gretchen on May 9, 2005 17:15:42 GMT -5
linda.
if the troll remark that IIIIIII made is the one you are talking about... allow me to clarify.
i was responding to the person who posted in response to you. they were picking on your movie, and i didn't appreciate it. perhaps i was a little harsh, but it's been increasingly frustrating lately to keep the peace and keep things organized around here with the explosion of trolls and newbies.
i have found nothing wrong with your posts up until this thread. i have appreciated having your voice here.
granted, directing matt to the appropriate thread could have been handled better... but as you can see it was others who made those comments and not myself, prov, bigboy or omni.
we DO run this without a mod. which means we can ONLY suggest.
we have guests running through here everyday creating new threads that already have PAGES UPON PAGES of discussion. it gets extremely frustrating to us.
i am also a member of a few other forums, and on none of them do i see any of the problems we face here. we're alone here, trying to do what we can for YOU the guests to have an easier time here.
lately we've had a lot of great new people show up, but we've also had a lot of crappy, rude, egotistical people show up.
like prov and bigboy have stated, we do NOT expect you to read the 25 pages of some of our longer posts, or even the 25 pages on the general board. that's ridiculous. all we ask is that you (EVERYONE not just guests and newbies!) search before posting.
it is NOT our job to do it for you. and i say you in the general sense, so don't get offended. nobody was here for us longtimers in the beginning. we are only here to guide, suggest and discuss. i'm sure if you looked around you would find that we are very welcoming and forgiving when we come across a new poster who might have simply lost their way and does have a good attitude and good ideas to contribute.
it's when a poster comes on with a bad attitude and declares that they have new ideas that us stupid folk haven't thought of that we get hostile. we also don't appreciate guests making negative comments to our members or frequent guest posters(like fibonacci was to you).
i've said all this a hundred times before, and guaranteed i'll have to defend our methods a hundred times more.
please lindapaloma, continue to post as you were. and i apologize for any confusion on the troll issue.
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