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Post by Madridarko on Mar 12, 2005 19:35:23 GMT -5
Donnie "travels" back in time by sending the engine back to the into the Primary Universe... He does not "travel" in time so much as getting in a machine that travels, he kinda sets of this type of chain reaction which will ultimatly cause a change in the path the Universe is to take. He kinda more or less "rewound" time by changing several factors, including his death.
There are several threads which discuss the origin of Donnie's cynical laughter a few minutes before he dies, but one of the most widely accepted theories is that he kinda remembers all the events that happened in the Tangent Universe, but he thinks that it is only a dream, so he laughs at it because the concept is so ridiculus. Another theory states that he knows that he just finished saving to world, and he might know he is about to die or something...
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Post by PyramidHead on Mar 13, 2005 23:41:50 GMT -5
Some thoughts I might add to the fray:
i. Not only does Donnie carry Gretchen's corpse back to his house, but it takes him about 8 hours to do so. From the time that she's killed (around midnight) to the time his mother's plane comes in (she estimated around 8:30). And for some reason, the police didn't find him until he's long gone, even though he shot his sister's boyfriend in front of a witness!
ii. The question about Donnie travelling through time is an odd one. At the end of the montage that shows the Tangent Universe unzipping itself, notice the shot of Donnie's bedroom...with an empty bed, and the camera moving towards it, as if to imply he's getting back under the covers. So, in a way, he might have "cancelled out" his PU self, which is why he remembers so vividly all that has happened (the laughter).
iii. Check out my thread called "Donnie's voice; his fate" for a different take on why he's laughing, and also why he's looking forward to something.
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Post by Madridarko on Mar 14, 2005 18:56:04 GMT -5
PyramidHead, you have found a good point that I had never taken account for, and if carefully inspectioned, it causes a contradiction in the film... I have already looked back into the movie and verified this..... Donnie's mom does say they should be arriving around 8:30, but when the clock strikes midnight in that halloween night... the screen darkness and it says that there are 6 hours remaining till the end of the world (6hours :42 minutes:12 seconds to be more exact).. So there is a problem because one set of info says the world should have ended at 6:42 am... but the other says it should have ended some time after 8:30 which is at the time that the plane was flying near Middlesex... Hummm???
Unless the plane was flying about 2 hours away from Middlesex, and from that distance Donnie ripped off the Jet engine.....
Gretch was probably shot around 1 maybe, so by the time donnie decided to get back home about 1:30 and by the time they got home (based on the 6:30 end of the world theory) maybe he got there around 5 because the sun was already up.... So an hour drive to the ridge?? Maybe?? I dont' know..... So it took the cops to go to Donnie's house about 5 hours???
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Post by gretchen on Mar 14, 2005 19:44:50 GMT -5
did it say they would be LANDING at 8:30 or arriving home at 8:30?
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Post by Madridarko on Mar 14, 2005 22:13:40 GMT -5
I think she said "we should be arriving home around 8:30" Or "we will be getting there at 8:30" Good question let me check it ou! BRB
The exact words are "We should arrive at 8:30 in the morning"
To the airport or to the house? I don't know... I would suppose it is to the airport they are refferring to.. Or unless.. Middlesex is suppposed to be a small town, maybe they are arraving at the aiport of a bigger city around 8:30, but because they are coming from the west (I suppose, wasn't it a trip to California or something) the largerst city with airport near middlesex could be located to the east of Middlesex, meaning they will arrive to that airport around 8:30, but will pass by or ontop of Middlesex around 6:30? But all this is just built on assumptions....
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Post by Ynotdave on Apr 8, 2005 14:35:18 GMT -5
I think Donnie kept Gretchen with him out of the possiblity that she wasn't really dead. A car ran over her, she wasn't shot or anything, so maybe she could've been in a coma or something.
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Post by Madridarko on Apr 8, 2005 17:07:16 GMT -5
But then he would have just told the clown kid friend of Frank to call an ambulance or even run into GramaDeath's house in hope of maybe finding a phone or something else.. I think he knew pretty much that she was dead, and even if she wasn't, the last few hours before the end of the world would be spent with a hospitalized gretchen or maybe even in jail (because he just shot Frank), and everybody would have died, so yup....
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Post by greedy on Apr 8, 2005 22:06:35 GMT -5
i still think it was an impulsive sing to the future scientist that he had chosen his path and "i find it kinda funny i find it kinda sad" that he tells clown suit the same kinda thing as cherita
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Post by h4m on Apr 9, 2005 15:22:42 GMT -5
I think the cops would have gotten to his house sooner, had the clown told his parents what happened or called the cops, but here is what i think happened:
1. Frank hits Gretchen, gets shot, etc..
2. Clown runs home in a sever state of shock and disbelief, as he just saw his friend get shot in the face and had a gun waved at him by someone he assumed to be crazy.
3. It takes him a while to run home from where Sparrow's house is (She lives "up there" in that piece of crap house.)
4. He comes into his house freaking out, and it takes his parents a long time to get him settled down enough to tell what happened coherently.
I live in VA, and I don't think theres any major airports near Middlesex. From Norfolk to Richmond is about a 2 hour drive. Middledsex is a comparable distance from Norfolk Int'l Airport to Richmond, across the Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel, it would probably take about 1 1/2 hours to drive there. Add in the 1/2 hour time it would probably take to get all the luggage, car, etc and you're looking at a 2 hour or more drive home.
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Post by Madridarko on Apr 10, 2005 13:03:41 GMT -5
So it is most highly likely that Middlesex does not have their own airport and that they were just flying probably above or near Middlesex but headed towards the nearest largest city's airport....
Also, I was just taking a glance at the DD website and in the last "news page" pop-up where they are informing about the crash, they mention that the "young dead body of the boy was carried away in an ambulance"... Well that has to be the funniest looking ambulance I have ever seen, because it wasn't an ambulance, it was this sorta type of long funeral limo type of thing............
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Post by h4m on Apr 13, 2005 17:43:13 GMT -5
Maybe they needed to do a checkup on the bullet to see if it was going to survive.  |
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Post by Madridarko on Apr 13, 2005 22:04:11 GMT -5
Survive???... By Gosh, a piece of plank wood just pierced him right throught the chest (presumably the heart) and a jet engine probably broke his lower body bones into billions of pieces... Survive??? And he has been like this since about some time after midnight....
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Post by mrgod on Apr 18, 2005 2:26:48 GMT -5
any one who dies in the TU is manipulated dead, like frank. so gretchen should become manipulated dead? and if the universe ended he would be alone with them, so maybe he was waiting to see if that would happen to her.
P.S. i am new at this so forgive me if i am mistaken about any of this.
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Post by wilburthinkshard on Sept 2, 2008 2:02:51 GMT -5
How About,
The only reassurance we have that Donnie died is the little boys testimony.
Donnie could have been laying in the room as shown, and not killed by the engine, having a large room, it almost seemed to fall infront of his bed...
So... Possibley Donnie survived, and brought back the corpse of Gretchen with him into the PU, which explains the body at the end.
Being mostly composed of water, Gretchen now becomes the artifact, and the FAA is just there doing their job, while the mortitians are actually looking to seize the artifact....
Rofl sorry, I had to.
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Post by knifeplay on Oct 30, 2008 16:58:42 GMT -5
Well through the whole movie, one of his greatest fears was being alone - At the moment Gretchen died the ensurance trap was sprung and he was forced into the only course of action left to him. He knew he was going to his fate, but didn't know for sure what that fate would be - Would he die? Would the world end? Either way, he just didn't want to be alone, or to leave her alone when (if) the end came. that is the best and really the most obvious answer. i never thought about it on his end for some reason, i just thought he didnt want to leave her alone at the end of all of it |
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