What exactly does Donnie do to the Artifact?

[thatsgross]

It seems to me that the jet engine would have gone through the portal/wormhole to Donnie's house on its own. What exactly did Donnie do to it? Did he somehow use his powers to drag it from the Tangent into the Primary? I like to chalk everything up to his convenient powers (perhaps telekenisis in this case?), but I'd like to know what another answer is. Was his role to somehow bridge the gap between the Tangent and the Primary? Obviously, the plane could not have avoided the portal, so I don't quite understand what it was Donnie did...

Also, did he put himself back to Oct. 2, or did he somehow go through another portal? I didn't see another portal, but voluntary time-travel isn't listed as a power of the Living Receiver. Or was he able to go back because he could see his path through the last 28 days? Or was he thrown back into the Primary Universe like everyone else as a result of whatever he did to the Artifact?

[d]

whatever the "right" answer on the first one is i think it isn't given and it's pissed me off as well..

it's like the the key to the world getting saved (saves itself?) and to why donnie dies/chooses to die and ya just can't really tell

guess the last of your own answers on the 2nd one is right, he got put back in time, tangent universe was deleted and memories of it appear as a dejavu

[reignman]

thatsgross said:

It seems to me that the jet engine would have gone through the portal/wormhole to Donnie's house on its own. What exactly did Donnie do to it? Did he somehow use his powers to drag it from the Tangent into the Primary? I like to chalk everything up to his convenient powers (perhaps telekenisis in this case?), but I'd like to know what another answer is. Was his role to somehow bridge the gap between the Tangent and the Primary? Obviously, the plane could not have avoided the portal, so I don't quite understand what it was Donnie did...

Also, did he put himself back to Oct. 2, or did he somehow go through another portal? I didn't see another portal, but voluntary time-travel isn't listed as a power of the Living Receiver. Or was he able to go back because he could see his path through the last 28 days? Or was he thrown back into the Primary Universe like everyone else as a result of whatever he did to the Artifact?

"It seems to me that the jet engine would have gone through the portal/wormhole to Donnie's house on its own. What exactly did Donnie do to it? Did he somehow use his powers to drag it from the Tangent into the Primary? I like to chalk everything up to his convenient powers (perhaps telekenisis in this case?), but I'd like to know what another answer is. Was his role to somehow bridge the gap between the Tangent and the Primary? Obviously, the plane could not have avoided the portal, so I don't quite understand what it was Donnie did..."

If the wormhole was a random appearance, then Donnie would have had to use his powers to destroy it after the tangent universe engine went in, and before the tangent universe ended. If the wormhole was created by God as a direct result of Gretchen's death, then Donnie simply had to die--preventing Gretchen's death and therefore the wormhole. Because we did not see Donnie use his powers to destroy the wormhole, the existence of a God in the film is ambiguous, but I think that's the whole point of the movie.

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Also, did he put himself back to Oct. 2, or did he somehow go through another portal? I didn't see another portal, but voluntary time-travel isn't listed as a power of the Living Receiver. Or was he able to go back because he could see his path through the last 28 days? Or was he thrown back into the Primary Universe like everyone else as a result of whatever he did to the Artifact?[/quote]"

POTT says that the tangent universe ends after a few weeks, so everything in the movie after the plane engine falling at the beginning to it falling again is erased--Donnie and others simply dream about it.

I'd recommend reading POTT on the net.

[thatsgross]

I'd recommend reading POTT on the net.

I've read POTT. Twice. I know the Tangent is erased. I just don't understand what Donnie did to make it end before it collapsed and destroyed all existence. From POTT, it seems like he has to do something directly involving the Artifact for everything to right itself. I guess I'm sticking with the "something with the powers" theory, vague as it is.

[reignman]

again, If the wormhole was a random appearance, then Donnie would have had to use his powers to destroy it after the tangent universe engine went in, and before the tangent universe ended. If the wormhole was created by God as a direct result of Gretchen's death, then Donnie simply had to die--preventing Gretchen's death and therefore the wormhole. Because we did not see Donnie use his powers to destroy the wormhole, the existence of a God in the film is ambiguous, but I think that's the whole point of the movie.

[thatsgross]

What exactly does that paragraph have to do with the Artifact? Reposting the same paragraph doesn't make it any clearer.

Also, how would Gretchen's death cause God to create a wormhole? God is the force of order and control, divine will, not cause and effect. Frank's instructions are cause and effect.

[Sarah]

BECAUSE HE WAS A SUPERHERO IN ANOTHER TIME DEMENSION IT IMPLIES THAT LIKE 5 TIMES!

[thatsgross]

Whoa. A little hostile there. Maybe you should be the one in therapy, so Mom and Dad can pay someone $200 an hour to listen to YOUR thoughts... so we don't have to.

Sorry. I couldn't help it. Take a chill pill, though. All caps are not needed. And this is the internet, you don't know who you're yelling at. What if I was developmentally disabled? Wouldn't you feel bad?

[Paradox Lover]

Nothing is random.

The artifact would not have gone through the wormhole without Donnie's participation. He's the one who sent it through.

Donnie stripped the one engine off the plane, in the Tangent Universe, and sent it to the Primary Universe through a wormhole.

He was able to do these things because, as the Living Receiver, he has many special abilities. He didn't need to fly up in the air and rip the engine out with his hands. He did it using mind power.

[reignman]

POTT: "The Living Receiver is chosen to guide the Artifact into position for its journey back to the Primary Universe."

Assuming that the plane engine from the beginning of the film comes from not the primary universe, how was it guided the first time? Couldn't the plane's engine have come off due to the wormhole/tornado? If Donnie has to do this and make himself die to save the universe, there must be a direct relationship between his death and the collapse of the wormhole.

[reignman]

thatsgross said:

What exactly does that paragraph have to do with the Artifact?

I guess my point is that Donnie saves the universe somehow, but we're not sure how. The artifact has all to do with Donnie's death, so I think his death serves a purpose. His death saved Gretchen and Frank. Plus, this would probably mean that his death is directly related to saving the universe.

[Paradox Lover]

reignman said:

Assuming that the plane engine from the beginning of the film comes from not the primary universe, how was it guided the first time? Couldn't the plane's engine have come off due to the wormhole/tornado? If Donnie has to do this and make himself die to save the universe, there must be a direct relationship between his death and the collapse of the wormhole.

The engine only fell one time. It was not separated from the plane by a tornado or anything else like that. It was stripped off and sent on its way by Donnie.

[reignman]

Guest-Paradox said:

The engine only fell one time. It was not separated from the plane by a tornado or anything else like that. It was stripped off and sent on its way by Donnie.

that is a fundamental paradox--a loop. These cannot exist, and if the film were a loop, then Donnie could not die at the end. At the beginning of the film, a plane engine falls into Donnie's room, and at the end of the film, the same thing happens at the same time and in the exact same way. Are you proposing that Donnie guided the plane engine the first time? If he didn't need to, then why did he have to do it the second time if the conditions were the same?

Also, the plane engine that fell into Donnie's room at the beginning of the film cannot be the same engine that falls into Donnie's room at the end of the film. I think we can both agree that the end of the film is in the primary universe, and that most of the film takes place in the tangent universe.I've heard you say that the plane engine from the beginning of the film isn't from the primary universe, but how is that possible? If Donnie guided the plane engine at the end of the film, he'd have to have guided the second one. He was only guided after MD Frank saved his life, which was after a plane engine fell in Donnie's room.

[Paradox Lover]

reignman said:

that is a fundamental paradox--a loop. These cannot exist, and if the film were a loop, then Donnie could not die at the end. At the beginning of the film, a plane engine falls into Donnie's room, and at the end of the film, the same thing happens at the same time and in the exact same way. Are you proposing that Donnie guided the plane engine the first time? If he didn't need to, then why did he have to do it the second time if the conditions were the same?

Also, the plane engine that fell into Donnie's room at the beginning of the film cannot be the same engine that falls into Donnie's room at the end of the film. I think we can both agree that the end of the film is in the primary universe, and that most of the film takes place in the tangent universe.I've heard you say that the plane engine from the beginning of the film isn't from the primary universe, but how is that possible? If Donnie guided the plane engine at the end of the film, he'd have to have guided the second one. He was only guided after MD Frank saved his life, which was after a plane engine fell in Donnie's room.

This is not a loop or a flaw... it is just the story.

The engine only crashes into Donnie's house one time in the Primary Universe. That's the only one we really care about because the Tangent Universe is nothing but a short-lived alternate dimension (or potentially the cause of the end of the universe, but still a completely different place).

The only time that an engine fell on the Darko house in the Primary Universe, it was guided there from the Tangent Universe by Donnie Darko.

And your last line is incorrect. You say that Donnie was only guided by MD Frank after the engine crashed into the house. That's not true... MD Frank's guidance began before that at the moment he said, "Wake up Donnie."

[reignman]

My question is where did the original plane engine come from? The one that crashes into Donnie's room at the beginning of the film in the tangent universe. The plane engine that he sends to the primary universe is a different plane engine.