Post by NoTruthInTime on Feb 22, 2004 0:24:26 GMT -5
i started reading these posts cause i was confused as hell and i must say thanks alot for confusing me even more. I dont particularly pride myself in being too smart but you can take what im about to say or leave it.
First of all, time depends on space, which is a fabric. By any other word, it still means that space is a physical object (you may not think of emptyness as something physical but space is far from emtpy). Anything can be broken... including space. It has pretty much been proven that the concentrations of x rays that our radio telescopes have picked up are in actuality rips in the space-time continueum that have no definite start or end.
The most simple way to understand the physics of space as a fabric was shown to me by my science teacher. Think of space on a smaller scale, maybe a blanket or quilt. Stretch the quilt out so that it is raised noticeably off the ground but is still flat and tightly grasped. Now put any object into the middle of the quilt (i would go for a basketball or something else perfectly round, perhaps mimicing the shape of a planet) Notice that the middle of the quilt slumps downward, and that any other smaller objects that you put anywhere on the quilt seem to drift or roll towards the slumped center. At first glance, this would seem like common sense, but this is how I like to interperet the essence of gravity, the blanket being the fabric of space, and the basketball being an object of mass, causing other smaller objects to fall toward it.
Going away from my boring but pointed tangent
The fabric of space is different from the blanket because somehow, in which humans are incapable of understanding, the fabric of space (at least in our immediate dimension) is like a sphere, like the surface of a planet, or more incomprehensively, everywhere. Its said that if you look far enough into space that you will see your environment as it was in that instance (knowing that light takes a while to travel, that could be in the distant past or perhaps even in the distant future).
What's the point of all this?
I was actually about to talk about black holes.
Black holes are created by an object so great in mass and energy (a basketball so great in size and weight) that it rips the fabric of space, creating a hole to who knows where. Now, taking into account the theory of space being spherical in shape, it could mean that it is a rapid passageway into the opposite corner of space. Rapid being an understatement. Einsteins theory of relativity states that time is relative to the observer. Simply put, if you took a set of twins and set one away on a round trip near-light speed voyage, the twin that stayed home wouldn't see the other for 20 years. But oddly enough the traveling twin would see his (to him) rapidly aged counterpart in less 25 seconds.
Wierd.
This is all tieing in with the concept of time in Donnie Darko. The wormhole created by the artifact somehow ripped the space-time continueum and ended up in a different part of space. Because the engine didn't have to travel the actual distance in between, it cheated the theory of time and ended up in the same part of space, just 28 days earlier.
Shit like this gives me a hangover headache
ok that's about all i can write... to you this post may seem anticlimactic but im only ending it here because the experience of time travel in donnie darko is a big paradox because trying to understand being in two times at once is not something that a single observer can do and even if you could there would be no point because if you already exist in the future and you already exist in the past then you have already been traveling in time infinately and have visited yourself many times.
Does this make sense to anyone?
P.S. time is a totaly human concept, and as you and I both know, space was around long before humans, monkeys, and bacteria were ever in the process of evolution... so this leaves me with the question of did time exist before humans? did humans invent time? does time even exist now, or are we all just fooled by something else because we as a race cant comprehend it?
you should listen.
you dont want to miss anything.
First of all, time depends on space, which is a fabric. By any other word, it still means that space is a physical object (you may not think of emptyness as something physical but space is far from emtpy). Anything can be broken... including space. It has pretty much been proven that the concentrations of x rays that our radio telescopes have picked up are in actuality rips in the space-time continueum that have no definite start or end.
The most simple way to understand the physics of space as a fabric was shown to me by my science teacher. Think of space on a smaller scale, maybe a blanket or quilt. Stretch the quilt out so that it is raised noticeably off the ground but is still flat and tightly grasped. Now put any object into the middle of the quilt (i would go for a basketball or something else perfectly round, perhaps mimicing the shape of a planet) Notice that the middle of the quilt slumps downward, and that any other smaller objects that you put anywhere on the quilt seem to drift or roll towards the slumped center. At first glance, this would seem like common sense, but this is how I like to interperet the essence of gravity, the blanket being the fabric of space, and the basketball being an object of mass, causing other smaller objects to fall toward it.
Going away from my boring but pointed tangent
The fabric of space is different from the blanket because somehow, in which humans are incapable of understanding, the fabric of space (at least in our immediate dimension) is like a sphere, like the surface of a planet, or more incomprehensively, everywhere. Its said that if you look far enough into space that you will see your environment as it was in that instance (knowing that light takes a while to travel, that could be in the distant past or perhaps even in the distant future).
What's the point of all this?
I was actually about to talk about black holes.
Black holes are created by an object so great in mass and energy (a basketball so great in size and weight) that it rips the fabric of space, creating a hole to who knows where. Now, taking into account the theory of space being spherical in shape, it could mean that it is a rapid passageway into the opposite corner of space. Rapid being an understatement. Einsteins theory of relativity states that time is relative to the observer. Simply put, if you took a set of twins and set one away on a round trip near-light speed voyage, the twin that stayed home wouldn't see the other for 20 years. But oddly enough the traveling twin would see his (to him) rapidly aged counterpart in less 25 seconds.
Wierd.
This is all tieing in with the concept of time in Donnie Darko. The wormhole created by the artifact somehow ripped the space-time continueum and ended up in a different part of space. Because the engine didn't have to travel the actual distance in between, it cheated the theory of time and ended up in the same part of space, just 28 days earlier.
Shit like this gives me a hangover headache
ok that's about all i can write... to you this post may seem anticlimactic but im only ending it here because the experience of time travel in donnie darko is a big paradox because trying to understand being in two times at once is not something that a single observer can do and even if you could there would be no point because if you already exist in the future and you already exist in the past then you have already been traveling in time infinately and have visited yourself many times.
Does this make sense to anyone?
P.S. time is a totaly human concept, and as you and I both know, space was around long before humans, monkeys, and bacteria were ever in the process of evolution... so this leaves me with the question of did time exist before humans? did humans invent time? does time even exist now, or are we all just fooled by something else because we as a race cant comprehend it?
you should listen.
you dont want to miss anything.