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Post by manmadeprotest on Feb 3, 2004 6:25:51 GMT -5
Aint it funny how frank appears before the change to the tangent universe ie. before the jet engine crashes. Might be a sign that it was all a dream in donnies head OR just a detail richard kelly missed........
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Post by Marcus on Feb 3, 2004 22:35:56 GMT -5
Ok ok, I didnt read ALL of the posts but im certain u guys havent really stepped among these lines. I personally think in order to SAVE Gretchen andthe others is to simply stay in his bed and wait for the engine. He wakes up laughing, prolly cuz HE thought he cheated death, OR prolly he laughed and sighed, that it was finally over, but he knows deep down in his mind he should choose death, so history wont constantly repeat itself."I hope that when the world comes to an end, I can breathe a sigh of relief,because there will be so much to look forward to." -Donnie DarKo SEE HE WANTED TO DIE!
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Post by wander3 on Feb 17, 2004 14:00:49 GMT -5
Aint it funny how frank appears before the change to the tangent universe ie. before the jet engine crashes. Might be a sign that it was all a dream in donnies head OR just a detail richard kelly missed........ Haha, yes! Thats what I talk about in my New Theory post. I think it was darkmystic who talked about that twilight zone episode, where it turns out the whole episode was a thought in this guys mind. I think the whole tanget universe thing is a vision donnie has in his head, a limbo of sorts. The beggining before Frank and after donnies time travel run uninterupted. |
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Post by Pax on Feb 18, 2004 1:03:02 GMT -5
Wander3, yeah, definitely, if you take out the majority of the movie, it runs in a line. But, as Kelly said in an interview somewhere, even if it was all a vision or dream in Donnie's mind, is it not still a possible reality? Also, I can't remember if it was here or on the cellardoor website or what, but someone did a comparison of Stephen King's "It" and "Donnie Darko." I'm almost done with this massive and excellent novel, and there is certainly parallells between the two. No coincidence that Rose Darko is reading "It" in the beginning of the film. Check it out, as well as the epic and amazing "Dark Tower" series by Mr. King. Peace.
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Post by wander3LoggedOut on Feb 18, 2004 9:20:17 GMT -5
Yeah I noticed her reading that, always wondered why that was there. Also, what about the messages on the fridge? Anyone ever pay attentiom to those. Im sure they could mean something, never really analyed them. Also there is the red theme, im sure someone dicussed this but I havent read anything on it yet.
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Post by Pax on Feb 18, 2004 22:01:29 GMT -5
Well, as far as the fridge messages, they seem self-explanatory to me, i.e. "Where is Donnie?," "Vote Dukakis." And I don't know if I understand what you mean by "the red theme?" I'm already interested, even though I don't think I know what you mean ;D
Peace.
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Post by wander3LoggedOut on Feb 18, 2004 23:52:43 GMT -5
As far as the red theme goes. Well, when we first see Donnie and he is riding his bike home, Frank drives by in the other lane in his red camaro. When the FAA agent sees Donnie and Gretchen in the woods hes wearing a red jumpsuit. Those are the two I can think of off hand, but I know there is more.
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Post by theoriginal013 also my sn on Mar 8, 2004 21:18:28 GMT -5
as for the whole IT thing also notice that in that novel the killer was a clown who terrorized childrens dreams...and gretchen is hit by a car and out of the passengers seat of the car steps a clown
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Post by That One Girl on Mar 20, 2004 14:04:19 GMT -5
As for the reviewers, ...others claimed that his choice of soundtrack was terrible... 1988 - my junior year in high school...the soundtrack was perfect. Trust me on this one.  |
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Post by jobubble on Mar 21, 2004 20:51:50 GMT -5
I don't completely agree with the fact that Donnie was in love, but I do think he had deep feelings for Gretchen. What I think happened was Donnie was able to see the path that he could have taken had he not been killed by the jet engine. He talks with his teacher about whether we all have a set path in life, etc. and asks what would happen if we saw our pre-destined future and the teacher replies with something like it would no longer be predestined because we'd know it and could defy it. I think that Donnie realizes this at the end after Gretchen is killed and his mother and sister are in the plane and will probably be in an accident on the way home. The whole movie is Donnie seeing what could be if he does not die in his house. He sees what could have been and decides that it is not worth living because he will lose people dear to him.
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Post by HROSSI on Mar 22, 2004 5:19:50 GMT -5
Did everybody get the fact that the Frank that Donnie shoots is the present Frank and is also Donnie sisters boyfriend, But then what is the Frank that visits him. Is a vision of the oncoming apocalypse? Is he a ghost? Is he imaginary? Or is he some kind of guardian angel?
I think Donnie shoots Frank because he knows he has to. I think the moment he shoots Frank he has it figured it all out. He says to the other kid, "Go home and tell your parents everythings gonna be ok?"
And i dont think at the end before he dies Donnie has forgotten, because Frank obviously remembers, and touches him eye. I dont think he remembers everything, but there is a deleted scene where Donnie speaks of having a dream and it being so real, and waking up to have it slowly slip away.
I think Donnie laughter has a relief yet desperation in it. I think he knows he will die and he is very releived by this thought.
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Post by Oscar The Gouch on Mar 27, 2004 0:51:50 GMT -5
Ya
donnie is also happy with what happend in the end and he knows that it cant be anyother way
he was meant to die
he says in his letter that when he dies he hopes he understands more
and he does therefore welcomes death
if anyone has seen the butterfly effect, you'll know what i mean by it has to be one way, weather or not it works for you or not
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Post by Frenzal on Mar 28, 2004 22:36:59 GMT -5
That One Girl: I agree, the soundtrack was brilliant.  Did you notice that many lines of the songs were picked to play at exact moments throughout the movie? If you have the DVD put it on to subtitles and read the lyrics whilst watching. It's interesting.. |
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Post by JustKim on Mar 29, 2004 16:29:43 GMT -5
Thinking out loud here--Donnie is plagued throughout the entire movie by thoughts on the existance of "God". "The whole thing is just absurd".
Donnie is supposed to be a "chosen one" for some reason. Some speculate it is tied in with his sad life as a schizophrenic. "Someone" felt pity on Donnie and wanted to plug in pretty images for a couple of weeks before Donnie's death, so "they", (I am implying some God-like force here), created this time warp for Donnie so he wouldn't feel like he was alone and could feel some sort of meaning in his life--or maybe this was "God's" plan all along and schizophrenia in this movie is viewed as a tool for "God" to reach him.
Either way, (and there are many different interpretations, these are just my personal favorites), Donnie smiles at the end because he knows for a fact that he is not dying alone and there is a divine purpose in his life and death.
I think when he tells Cherita that "someday things will be better for you", he is certain at that point that we are not alone.
Gretchen's survival is certainly a relief at the time of Donnies death, I think that is undeniable. I don't think that is exactly why he is smiling.
I also want to contradict another statement I just read. I think it was posted by Darkmystic. It was a little blib at the end of an entry that focused on Donnie's mother at the end of the movie and the quote, "It feels wonderful." That quote is the one that struck me the hardest in the movie. I don't think she sees Donnie as a burden at all, and I don't think she looks the least bit relieved at the end when she is smoking. She has been struck dumb with grief.
Compare "How does it feel to have a nut for a son" with the beginning of the movie when he calls her a bitch. I think at this point in the movie Donnie has realized that his mother is not the anti-Christ and is apologizing for all of the trouble he caused her. "It feels wonderful" followed by her tears shows that she wouldn't have it any other way. Unconditional love.
What I'm trying to say here is that Donnies death could not be a relief in any way to his mother. Not if her love was unconditional.
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Post by Pax on Mar 31, 2004 0:52:56 GMT -5
Absolutley. I've watched this movie with other people who thought Rose's expression was one of "coldness," etc. But I agree, it's the dumbstruck look of grief and shock. People in shock often react and look "out of character." If you watch closely, Rose's expression changes to almost tearful near the end of that scene. Mary Macdonald is an extremely good actress, and she plays that scene believably.
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