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Post by touristpants on Jan 11, 2004 19:24:06 GMT -5
It seems possible to me that the ending is Donnie waking up from a dream he had right before he died plain and simple. The irony is he dies. Gretchen's wave to his mother was just showing the reality that it all never happened. The way the plot moves feels like a non-linear dream, not that it doesn't tie together in some way. It is fabricated by a very gifted Donnie while he sleeps. The lyrics to the song 'Mad World' hint to it :
And I find it kind of funny
I find it kind of sad
The dreams in which I'm dying
Are the best I've ever had
I find it hard to tell you
'Cos I find it hard to take
When people run in circles
It's a very, very
Mad World
Children waiting for the day they feel good
Happy Birthday, Happy Birthday
Made to feel the way that every child should
Sit and listen, sit and listen
Went to school and I was very nervous
No one knew me, no one knew me
Hello teacher tell me what's my lesson
Look right through me, look right through me
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Post by NA NA NA NA NA on Jul 20, 2004 18:07:35 GMT -5
:-X :-X :-X :-[the words to most of the songs in both versions give you some little hint at least. It's just crazy how well "head over heels" fits with the movie TEXT TEXT TEXT TEXT TEXT[shadow=red,left,300]TEXT[/shadow][glow=red,2,300]TEXT[/glow] :( :( :( :( ??? |
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Post by balki on Jul 21, 2004 23:48:53 GMT -5
nope,you're wrong.I hate to sound close-minded but in "the philosy of of time travel" it clearly states that the others that were involved with the "living reciever" have feeling like a faint dream or feelings of regret at what they did in the tangent universe (jim cunningham has such realises afterwards how awful his life is and kills himself).
frank touches his eye too,signyfying that he knows he gets shot and killed by a gunshot to his head(eye)
And also on the website it's clearly still a mystery to middlesex as to where the engine came from,if it was all a dream then there would be a clear explanation for that.anyways those are my two cents.
I'm afraid i personally think there is FAR more to this story than a simple "dream".some movies I don't like to try to figure out (2001 a space oddesy being one,i just let that one be) but this is one I was obbssed with thinking about for weeks after seeing it.probably the only other movies that makes me think this much are "brazil"(phenomenal movie) and solaris (russian version,i've seen it 1 and ahalf times,it's the most boring movie ever made but I love it so much,and i love trying to figure it out)
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Post by Twitchmonkey on Jul 22, 2004 0:10:17 GMT -5
the thing that angers me is that everyone interprets the movie according to POTT and they think everything else is wrong when it isnt
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Post by dkrobbins on Jul 22, 2004 14:29:37 GMT -5
the thing that angers me is that everyone interprets the movie according to POTT and they think everything else is wrong when it isnt i would have to agree with balki's statement. the reason a majority of people use POTT, is because its purpose is to help interpret the film. granted....there are flaws between DD and POTT, but every film has its own flaws. if you watch the film with Richard Kelly's commentary, you'll understand that this film is far more than a simple "dream." |
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Post by DarkoFan on Jul 22, 2004 16:16:01 GMT -5
What are the flaws between DD and POTT?
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Post by Twitchmonkey on Jul 22, 2004 16:29:14 GMT -5
i would have to agree with balki's statement. the reason a majority of people use POTT, is because its purpose is to help interpret the film. granted....there are flaws between DD and POTT, but every film has its own flaws. if you watch the film with Richard Kelly's commentary, you'll understand that this film is far more than a simple "dream." Indeed but I had a lot of interesting logical interpretations before even reading POTT |
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Post by NANOBOY on Jul 22, 2004 16:42:16 GMT -5
[quote author=Guest-balki (jim cunningham has such realises afterwards how awful his life is and kills himself).[/quote]
HE KILLS HIMSELF IN THE ORIGINAL DONNIE DARKO MOVIE? I NEVER REALIZED THAT. OR DOES THAT INFORMATION COME FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE? HE KILLS HIMSELF IN THE ENCORE?
::)
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Post by darkos_light on Jul 22, 2004 17:18:02 GMT -5
If you go to donniedarko.com, it has a little obituary of Jim Cunningham's, showing that he committed suicide.
I never realized there was a debate on whether or not to use the POTT or not. Why wouldn't you?
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Post by Twitchmonkey on Jul 22, 2004 20:39:24 GMT -5
If you go to donniedarko.com, it has a little obituary of Jim Cunningham's, showing that he committed suicide. I never realized there was a debate on whether or not to use the POTT or not. Why wouldn't you? Because the movie was designed to be interpreted many different ways and POTT was just a way for Richard Kelly to express his interpretation |
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Post by Pax on Jul 22, 2004 21:07:26 GMT -5
Several thoughts: The POTT is probably the "definitive" guide to interpreting the movie, but when Kelly himself has given various views on the movie, i.e. "it's like 'An Occurrence At Owl Creek Bridge,'" to "it's a movie about the death knell of the '80's," to "it's a criticism of the public school system..." well...clearly the movie is up for grabs, interpretation-wise.
As far as the "dream v. reality" debate, either one works. I find the dream scenario a little trite and, I must hypocritically say, it doesn't totally jibe with the POTT. But, what about the possibility that Donnie is time/dimension hopping while dreaming? I know others have said this, and it also fits.
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Post by balki on Jul 22, 2004 21:41:35 GMT -5
I'm sorry i don't mean to sound close-minded.But I personally,think the pott book plays a very important part of the movie wether or not you actually find out what's written inside on the movie or not.I think i read that richard kelly wanted the website to be a companion to the movie and if that's true then he waht's people to read the pott.
I believe there are many other things that are left to ones own feeliungs though.why DD dies in the end isn't explained but I have my own theories.and I also have my views on wether r not he finds God in the end.and everyone has their own opinion about cherita too.
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Post by Loree on Jul 26, 2004 15:32:06 GMT -5
I love that song.....Gary Jules does it so much better than tears for fears.....but yah the dream thing is right.
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Post by reignman on Jul 26, 2004 16:59:32 GMT -5
nothing in Donnie Darko contradicts POTT, and everything in Donnie Darko supports POTT. POTT is just a guide for us to understand the film. For instance, Frank could not have been talking to Donnie from the future (on the same timeline/universe anyway) because Frank's appearance/talking would change the timeline by causing Donnie to do something different, and in turn changing whatever Frank said. POTT talks about "dimensional portals" being used by the manipulated dead which are made of water, not "time portals."
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