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Post by Omnipotent on Feb 17, 2005 13:56:37 GMT -5
Richard Kelly's original choice for the music to be played over the final sequence was U2's "MLK". After difficulties obtaining the rights to the song, it was decided to use Gary Jules's cover of the Tears for Fears song "Mad World" instead. To download, Left Click then Right Click Save As...s22.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2NE9PIQCG3P2P1PXVGJLDCW2H5
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Post by Bigboy on Feb 17, 2005 15:28:32 GMT -5
Nice. Lyrically I can see why it was his first choice, it reflects the moment nicely. But I honestly think that Mad World was the best choice in the end. For me at least it has a greater emotional impact, and lyrically it fits Donnies point of view of the world and people around him throughout the movie.
Here are the lyrics to both for comparison:
MLK Sleep Sleep tonight And may your dreams Be realized If the thunder cloud Passes rain So let it rain Rain down on him So let it be So let it be
Sleep Sleep tonight And may your dreams Be realized If the thundercloud Passes rain So let it rain Let it rain Rain on him
(NOTE: I have seen the line 'Rain on him' written as both 'Rain on he' and 'Rain on me')
Mad World All around me are familiar faces Worn out places Worn out faces Bright and early for the daily races Going no where Going no where Their tears are filling up their glasses No expression No expression Hide my head I wanna drown my sorrow No tomorrow No tomorrow And I find it kind of funny I find it kind of sad The dreams in which I’m dying are the best I’ve ever had I find it hard to tell you I find it hard to take When people run in circles its a very very Mad world Mad world Children waiting for the day they feel good Happy birthday Happy birthday And I feel the way that every child should Sit and listen Sit and listen Went to school and I was very nervous No one knew me No one knew me Hello teacher tell me what’s my lesson Look right through me Look right through me And I find it kind of funny I find it kind of sad The dreams in which I’m dying are the best I’ve ever had I find it hard to tell you I find it hard to take When people run in circles its a very very Mad world Mad world Enlarge your world Mad world
(NOTE: I have seen the line 'Enlarge your world' written as 'Enlargen your world' and 'Illogical world')
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Post by ProvidencePortal on Feb 17, 2005 16:35:17 GMT -5
I'm so not making any friends with my music opinion ... but I have to say, having listened to the song and imagined the slow pans in the final scene, I think this would have been an excellent alternate to "Mad World." I find only two lines in "Mad World" really apropos to the scene as it occurs: "the dreams in which I'm dyin' ..." and "all around me are familiar faces ..." Certainly, knowing and conjecturing what we do regarding the movie's indictment of the public school system, the central bit about childhood and schooling becomes more poignant. But all in all, it's the tone and the music that carries the meaning and less the lyrics.
But, remembering Kelly's intent to create an "operatic" soundtrack, "MLK" seems to me to be more lyrically appropriate and even situationaly more so (after all, Donnie is in bed, heading for "sleep" and he's expressed hope that his death will bring him to enlightenment -- his dreams "coming to pass"). I find the message of "if there is rain, let it rain" both a parallel to the screen action (the engine falling) and a thematic parallel (Donnie has agreed to let God's path play out has He intended it to).
My assessment: a remarkably appropriate and moving alternate close. As a discussion point, I plan to play it for my movie group over that scene, and to supply them with the lyrics.
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Post by Bigboy on Feb 17, 2005 18:49:32 GMT -5
I've got no problem with that opinion; I pretty much agree with your assessment. MLK does reflect that moment of the movie better in terms of lyrical content, but I just plain like Mad World better. My reasons are largely down to musical asthetics - both songs have similar style and tone, but MLK just didn't push my buttons in the same way as Mad World.
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Post by gretchen on Feb 17, 2005 19:30:24 GMT -5
I've got no problem with that opinion; I pretty much agree with your assessment. MLK does reflect that moment of the movie better in terms of lyrical content, but I just plain like Mad World better. My reasons are largely down to musical asthetics - both songs have similar style and tone, but MLK just didn't push my buttons in the same way as Mad World. ditto. i guess it's the same for me as the opening track of the DC, lyrically it's more fitting perhaps... but emotionally i just don't think it hits the same.
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Post by Omnipotent on Feb 18, 2005 4:47:44 GMT -5
I'm so not making any friends with my music opinion ... but I have to say, having listened to the song and imagined the slow pans in the final scene, I think this would have been an excellent alternate to "Mad World." I find only two lines in "Mad World" really apropos to the scene as it occurs: "the dreams in which I'm dyin' ..." and "all around me are familiar faces ..." Certainly, knowing and conjecturing what we do regarding the movie's indictment of the public school system, the central bit about childhood and schooling becomes more poignant. But all in all, it's the tone and the music that carries the meaning and less the lyrics. But, remembering Kelly's intent to create an "operatic" soundtrack, "MLK" seems to me to be more lyrically appropriate and even situationaly more so (after all, Donnie is in bed, heading for "sleep" and he's expressed hope that his death will bring him to enlightenment -- his dreams "coming to pass"). I find the message of "if there is rain, let it rain" both a parallel to the screen action (the engine falling) and a thematic parallel (Donnie has agreed to let God's path play out has He intended it to). My assessment: a remarkably appropriate and moving alternate close. As a discussion point, I plan to play it for my movie group over that scene, and to supply them with the lyrics. Your analysis has strong validity but what song do you enjoy more? (Forget the appropriateness).
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Post by ProvidencePortal on Feb 18, 2005 8:12:01 GMT -5
but what song do you enjoy more? (Forget the appropriateness). Oh, no question or hesitation: "Mad World."
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Post by Phil on Feb 19, 2005 7:16:04 GMT -5
I think Mad world was a brilliant choice.
Emotionally, it fits SO well with the film, it just has a feeling about it.
Im glad me didnt choose the U2 song, just because i cant stand U2!
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Post by Omnipotent on Feb 23, 2005 5:23:13 GMT -5
I think Mad world was a brilliant choice. Emotionally, it fits SO well with the film, it just has a feeling about it. Im glad me didnt choose the U2 song, just because i cant stand U2! Indeed, when I first saw the ending it was so moving, I was froze.
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Post by MoonageDaydream on Feb 26, 2005 13:00:04 GMT -5
Also, there's something about Mad World being a cover of a 1980s song, and not the actual 1980s song that makes it moving. It's fitting that the song that happens when the space/time continuum is disrupted is the only song not be recorded in that time period.
I believe if MLK would've stayed in, it would've been just another 80's song in the movie, and not the moving closer it should've been.
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Post by Phil on Feb 26, 2005 14:02:51 GMT -5
Indeed, when I first saw the ending it was so moving, I was froze. Same
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Post by ProvidencePortal on Feb 28, 2005 13:35:25 GMT -5
It's fitting that the song that happens when the space/time continuum is disrupted is the only song not be recorded in that time period. Thanks for that, Moonage -- very insightful perspective. Structurally, that's a satisfying reason to keep "Mad World" as the close.
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