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Post by chels on Jan 16, 2004 14:40:35 GMT -5
yea i shoudve put this somewhere else but it seemed to fit here better.....so Frank tells Donnie the world would end in 28 days, 6 hours, 42 minutes, and 12 seconds.... when you add all those numbers up they equal 88....and it just so happens that the year is 1988 i would say that this is a coincidence, but nothing in this movie is a coincidence.....
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Post by Notorious on Jan 16, 2004 15:16:19 GMT -5
and note also that "88"mph was the speed that the De Lorea (also referenced in the film) in Back to the Future needed to reach in order to time travel . . .
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Post by darkshinez on Jan 16, 2004 19:30:12 GMT -5
Just some thoughts: if the movie is called Donnie Darko there has to be a reason , so I looked up the meaning of the name Donnie/Donald:means (scottish) Ruler of the World (!) or Great World Chief (celtic) Dark Stranger and (english) world mighty, so the name might be a sign already?!for him- being some kind of superhero?if Jim C. asks him what his name is ,he answers Gerald: this name means originally "Mighty Spearman" or "ruled by the spear" (and Donnie tells his teacher these things come out of the chest like Spears!)another interesting thing is that when Donnie meets his psych. the first time, he mentions Frank but Frank never said his name!how could that be? and someone asked why the name of the mother is Rose and the streetname of J.Cun. is also rose- maybe symbolic because of the Einstein-Rosen- Bridge..which is connecting two universes?I also noticed that the name of the dog that died alone was Kelly-- like Richard Kelly? and there is an owl 2X in the movie one on the fridge and one under Donnies lamp, this- in the greek mythology-was a symbol of wisdom,protection and people thought that magical "inner light" gave Owls night vision. and the axe in the head of the Dog Statue- may it be a symbol for schizophrenia/ maybe frank is a part of Donnie in some way? DOG <-> GOD or a sign for the splitted universes in gods mind/ or Donnies mind (symbol - a head)? and I really would like to know why there are trampolines again and again in this movie?!any ideas?
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Post by SHOALIN on Jan 17, 2004 12:36:04 GMT -5
Here’s a wild idea for the trampoline. Donnie has superpowers, but we never really see them used to their maximum potential. Like he had the strength to plant an axe into the bronze bulldog statue. Now as director Kelly said in the DVD comments, its DD who rips off the engine from the plane in order to get it back through the wormhole. The tornado associated with the wormhole/portal is supposedly not responsible. How does he reach the plane? Do his superpowers include the ability to fly? Can a portal be used to lift him in the air? I don’t know, but we know he at least has the ability to jump high enough to plant an axe into the top of a fifteen foot statue. Could DD have maybe used the trampoline in his backyard to reach the airplane? That could explain why its featured so prominently in several scenes. But then again DD’s sitting on Carpathian Ridge with his bicycle when the portal opens up, not is his backyard. Anyone got any better ideas?
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Post by SHOALIN on Jan 17, 2004 13:24:08 GMT -5
PARALLELS BETWEEN DANNIE DARKO AND STEPHEN KING’S “IT”
I just wanted to share with all you fellow Darko junkies a bit of trivia concerning parallels between the plot of DD and the novel “IT” by Steven King, which Donnie’s mother is seen reading at the beginning of the film. The story concerns a group of 7 children, each with a special gift or power, who are guided by a God-like divine power to defeat Pennywise the evil clown, who is actually some sort of immortal alien creature who awakens like every 30 years to feed on people. After they vanquish the creature, they loose most of their memory of the incident until 30 years later, when they, as adults, are again called upon by some divine power to finish off the creature for good, and in the process one of them is sacrificed for the good of all mankind.
You can probably already spot the parallels, but I’ll point them out one by one anyway.
1) Both DD and the kids were called upon/selected by a divine power or God. 2) Both were given or had special powers. 3) The IT children/adults worked together for an altruistic goal, just as the manipulated living/dead and Donnie all worked together for a goal. 4) Someone had to die for the good of all mankind. 5) The IT children/adults loose most of their memory of the incident, just as the manipulated living/dead only retain a vague dream-like memory of the events in the tangent universe.
Chow…!
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Post by PgT on Jan 17, 2004 23:00:41 GMT -5
Not to rain on everyones parade or be an ass, but if you manage to travel back in time, which is only possible with a wormhole, you would be struck in the spacecraft you are riding in with a massive bolt of radiation. its true, you can check "the Universe In a nutshell" by Stephen Hawking note: not replying incase anyone cares, I dont check this ever
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Post by SHOALIN on Jan 18, 2004 10:43:53 GMT -5
Here’s another question for you all. Remember the scene in the Holiday Inn, when Donnie’s parents are sitting on the bed listening to a news broadcast about the fallen jet engine? Donnie’s dad says the following:
“Frankie Fever. You remember him? From high school? He died on his way to the prom. Remember? He said he was doomed. (pause) Jesus! The guy said the same thing about Donnie. . .”
The comment is obviously a foreshadowing of Donnie’s later inevitable fate, and Frankie Fever might also have been an earlier “Living Receiver” who had to sacrifice himself in order to correct an earlier corruption in space-time caused by a lost artifact. The question I have – if it can be answered – is who is “the guy”?
Another interesting point is that four people die in the tangent universe who survive in the primary universe: Gretchen, Frank, Donnie’s mom and Donnie’s younger sister. While in the primary universe, four people die who survive in the tangent universe: Donnie – and if you read your way through the obituaries on the Dannie Darko official website – James Cunningham, Ms. Sparrow and Donnie’s science teacher. So no matter how things went, four people were destined to die one way or another, although the presence of the artifact (plus the machinations of the manipulated living/dead) changed the outcome of who those four people were. A balance had to be restored somehow between the primary and the tangent universe.
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Post by darkshinez on Jan 18, 2004 11:19:36 GMT -5
yes, I agree with you that there maybe has to be a balance between the universes. Because there is also another symbol for that. On the wall in the back of the class is a picture that shows a rocker/ seesaw-- this might show a symbolic compensator between the 2 universes.also the big lamp that is shown pretty long swinging slowly from one side to the other after the turbine crashed into the house might symbolize that balance.
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Post by Jake on Jan 18, 2004 21:05:30 GMT -5
Not to spoil the fun and all, but the reference to Frank by Donnie's dad after the engine crash is just to have the name Frank out in the movie. It's also beause his parents are freaked out that an engine landed in thier son's bed. They know something is up, they just don't know what it is. As for the title "Donnie Darko", R. Kelly just likes it because it sounds like a comic book superhero name. The movie is about Donnie discovering he is a tangent universe that is caused by the engine. Everything else up the end "rewinding" sequences are the steps that he needs to take (often with painful reluctance) to return everything back to normal and the way it wa supposed to be. If you can watcht the DVD with directors commentary, I strongly recommend it along with the official website. My only remaining question is that if Donnie's "job" was to return the tangent universe back to normal and return the engine ("artifact") to the universe where it belongs, why then did he also have to die? Any thoughts?
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Post by DonnaDarko on Jan 18, 2004 22:03:28 GMT -5
Damn you ppl are good, i feel so small, i mean comeon i watch it 10 times and you ppl could top me no matter what *studys* haha im watchin again....
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Post by DonnaDarko on Jan 20, 2004 17:51:43 GMT -5
Maybe Donnie had to die . Maybe.....he was what had to be changed also. Any thoughts? (everyone hates that he had to die)
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Post by Dark Link on Jan 20, 2004 20:28:07 GMT -5
Here’s a wild idea for the trampoline. Donnie has superpowers, but we never really see them used to their maximum potential. Like he had the strength to plant an axe into the bronze bulldog statue. Now as director Kelly said in the DVD comments, its DD who rips off the engine from the plane in order to get it back through the wormhole. The tornado associated with the wormhole/portal is supposedly not responsible. How does he reach the plane? Do his superpowers include the ability to fly? Can a portal be used to lift him in the air? I don’t know, but we know he at least has the ability to jump high enough to plant an axe into the top of a fifteen foot statue. Hey shoalin. With the whole superpower thing. Donnie's powers aren't your traditional Superman, fly around, Leap high sort of stuff. His powers are fourth dimensional powers. The fourth dimension being time. So Donnie has the power to control time. If you know your science, then time makes up an important part of space. It is a part of the fabric of space. It is then easy to theorise that donnie was able to plant the axe in the statue by bending time, and as a result space, to imbed the axe into the statue, A simple matter of bending the space the axe is in, to meet the space the statue is in, and presto. Also he could bend time to shear the engine away from the plane. Stretching space-time in the connection of the engine to the plane and break the bonds. Hey presto, one falling artifact. Hope that makes sense for you [glow=purple,2,300]Dark Link[/glow]
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Post by oceanduck on Jan 26, 2004 20:22:37 GMT -5
wow! all of you are really insiteful. some of the things you say, i didn't even think of. see, i knew that the whole point of donnie going back was to correct his mistakes, that he would have to die for the people he loved to live. however, i don't get why he burnt down the guys house to reveal his kiddy porn if no one is going to see it after he dies. i also do not understand why frank is the one that comes back. why not someone else? what makes frank so important?
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Post by Frenzal on Jan 27, 2004 9:09:25 GMT -5
Donnie does have superpowers. According to The Philosophy of Time Travel the living receiver is given powers of super human strength, telekenisis and telepathy, this explains how he does everything. As for Donnie dieing, I think it was just for cinematic effect as much as anything because it'd be such a bad ending if he'd lived. But I suppose on the thematic side of things it just emphasises the idea of the tragic hero, making the ultimate sacrifice despite his Aristotle termed 'hamartias' (flaws in character.) In respone to oceanduck, Donnie burns down the house so that Mrs Farmer can't go on the trip with the dance troupe, so that Rose takes over, so she can book an earlier flight on the 'Red Eye', so that Donnie can rip the engine off and send it through the wormhole. I suppose this movie really reinforces the idea of cause and effect huh? And Frank is the one that comes back because he is a Manipulated Dead ie he dies in the tangent universe so he has the ability of time travel. I'm sure there was more, but I'm tired.
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Post by RAndara on Jan 28, 2004 5:39:10 GMT -5
Hy! I've got some questions that prevent me form understanding the film. 1.How does Donnie shut down the tangen universe by travelling back in time? He did not change anything by going back, he only caused his own death.The Engine from the other universe did fall on him so the tangentuniverse has still to be there, otherwise the engine would not have fallen on Donnie.That would mean that the world is still going to end, as nothing has changed. Please tell me what donnie caused bringing the engine back in time
2.R. Sparrow`s book says that the receiver is in the tangent universe and has to bring the artifact back into the first one.But if Donnie lives in the tangent universe he would meet himself in the primary one after he reachs it. Anf if the Donnie from the primary universe did somehow get in the tangent one he will have to meet himself there, it is only the other way round. So where does the film take place, and where does Donnie go at the end , I mean from which to which universe!!!
3.Was Donie the one who made the engine break loose from the plane initiating his own death???
Please excuse me if this posting was hard to understand, as English is not my first language.
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