Post by fayloan on Mar 5, 2010 23:48:59 GMT -5
Alright, this has been nagging me for a little while now, and the previous thread for the Jet Engine discussion didn't really address what was going on in my mind.
I'll summarize my question into one phrase: why does the jet engine ever need to fall in the first place?
I'll try to elaborate so that I can smooth out the confusion still rattling my head on the subject. I'm assuming, when the movie begins, we witness a jet engine crush Donnie's room as he was not present, due to the influence of the MD Frank, whose influence had lead Donnie from the room in the first place. Here's where my confusion begins. Let's assume, regardless of any existing loops of how many times Donnie may or may not have failed to sacrifice himself to save the PD, that this whole incident began with a primary dimension, in which MD Bunny-Frank had not yet been killed.
Now, I can understand how MD Frank would be able to transcend the scope of the TD by virtue of his own ability to travel through the fourth dimension, and how the jet engine from the TD that was to be is what first destroys his room while he isn't in it, which starts the loop.
So, in my mind, the loop is like this:
PD continues => MD Frank interferes with Donnie in PD => Jet engine hits the house, causing the TD to begin as Donnie is absent from the house => Eventually leads to either Donnie's failure to send the TD engine back to the PD, or his success in choosing to remain in his room and die, to prolong the existence of the PD and end the forced loop.
Here's what I don't get, though. When Donnie dies, the whole 'loop' case is supposed to be resolved, which prevents the destruction that would have occurred, and the subsequent recreation of the TD. However, now, in the PD, there are two jet engines: One is the original, still on the plane, which is believed to never actually fly after the TD loop is closed and the PD resumes from Donnie's sacrifice, and the second, which killed Donnie.
Now, if the plane in the PD never flies, and hence never loses its engine to produce a jet engine with which to crush Donnie in the first place, where did it come from? And, for that matter, why does it even exist? Maybe I'm looking into this too much, but isn't that essentially creating matter from scratch?
Like, if I go on the principal of Occam's Razor, wouldn't it just have been easier for the universe to just... not have conjured a jet engine out of nowhere? Like, if the jet engine never crushed Donnie, the MD Frank-bunny would have never existed, hence Donnie would have never been driven to commit the acts which he did which would eventually lead to his mother getting on the plane in the first place.
Can someone please help me on this? I'm getting way too confused here on something that feels like it could make total sense.
I'll summarize my question into one phrase: why does the jet engine ever need to fall in the first place?
I'll try to elaborate so that I can smooth out the confusion still rattling my head on the subject. I'm assuming, when the movie begins, we witness a jet engine crush Donnie's room as he was not present, due to the influence of the MD Frank, whose influence had lead Donnie from the room in the first place. Here's where my confusion begins. Let's assume, regardless of any existing loops of how many times Donnie may or may not have failed to sacrifice himself to save the PD, that this whole incident began with a primary dimension, in which MD Bunny-Frank had not yet been killed.
Now, I can understand how MD Frank would be able to transcend the scope of the TD by virtue of his own ability to travel through the fourth dimension, and how the jet engine from the TD that was to be is what first destroys his room while he isn't in it, which starts the loop.
So, in my mind, the loop is like this:
PD continues => MD Frank interferes with Donnie in PD => Jet engine hits the house, causing the TD to begin as Donnie is absent from the house => Eventually leads to either Donnie's failure to send the TD engine back to the PD, or his success in choosing to remain in his room and die, to prolong the existence of the PD and end the forced loop.
Here's what I don't get, though. When Donnie dies, the whole 'loop' case is supposed to be resolved, which prevents the destruction that would have occurred, and the subsequent recreation of the TD. However, now, in the PD, there are two jet engines: One is the original, still on the plane, which is believed to never actually fly after the TD loop is closed and the PD resumes from Donnie's sacrifice, and the second, which killed Donnie.
Now, if the plane in the PD never flies, and hence never loses its engine to produce a jet engine with which to crush Donnie in the first place, where did it come from? And, for that matter, why does it even exist? Maybe I'm looking into this too much, but isn't that essentially creating matter from scratch?
Like, if I go on the principal of Occam's Razor, wouldn't it just have been easier for the universe to just... not have conjured a jet engine out of nowhere? Like, if the jet engine never crushed Donnie, the MD Frank-bunny would have never existed, hence Donnie would have never been driven to commit the acts which he did which would eventually lead to his mother getting on the plane in the first place.
Can someone please help me on this? I'm getting way too confused here on something that feels like it could make total sense.
