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Post by dan769 on Jun 20, 2009 17:38:58 GMT -5
Does the jet engine Donnie sends through the portal have to be exactly the same jet engine as the one from the beginning?
I know the serial number was burt off the first engine. As there is no serial number I thought maybe he could send a different one or does he have to send the exact same one?
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Post by flacidsteel716x on Jun 21, 2009 0:35:03 GMT -5
The engine that came from a crashing plane, went through a portal and killed Donnie therefore changing the events in the future so that the plane wouldn't crash anymore, so therefore there would be two of the identical engines at the same point in time since the plane would never have crashed in the universe that Donnie died. That is the part that is confusing the hell out of me, so I don't no what engine was sent back, by whom, or for what reason, that is just what I got out of it the few times I saw the movie. Please point out the flaws in my logic becasue I am sure there are a few.
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Post by Phil on Jun 22, 2009 10:58:41 GMT -5
donnie sent the engine from the red eye plane in the TU to the PU.
Because donnie dies in the PU, jim cunningham would be unveiled as a pedo, so kitty would be able to take the kids etc.
Basically, cus donnie chose to die in the PU nothing that happened in the TU will then happen in the PU
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Post by dan769 on Jun 22, 2009 18:32:09 GMT -5
I completely understand the film, i was just wondering if the engine he sends has to be the exact same one. Of course the first engine is taken away by the FAA but he can still send the replica one instead.
There is one to many engines in the Tangent Universe so one of them must be sent back to the Primary Universe. I just wondered that because the serial number was burnt off was it possible he could send another engine instead?
Personally i reckon he sent the replica as the the plane with that exact engine was manipulted into flying over at that exact point in time.
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Post by flacidsteel716x on Jun 22, 2009 21:12:21 GMT -5
I am going to sound stupid here but...
Where is everyone getting the idea that Donnie intentionally sent the engine back?
My interpretation was that the skies opened up as a plane was flying through, the engine came off and by chance went trhough a portal that hit Donnie's room 28 days earlier.
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Post by Phil on Jun 23, 2009 5:46:11 GMT -5
donnie as the living reciever has, amoung other things, telekinetic powers.
It is his job to send the artifact (plane engine) through the worm hole. he does this by using his telekinetic powers to rip it off the plane.
If he doesnt do this then when the TU collapses a black hole will get through to the PU destroying the world.
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Post by flacidsteel716x on Jun 23, 2009 11:05:22 GMT -5
I dont want it to sound like I don believe you, because I'm sure that you have gone into this alot more than I have, but I watched it a few times and I never picked up on the part where it is explained that he needs to send the engine back, or that he has telekinetic powers. so could you please help me out with that
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Post by Phil on Jun 23, 2009 13:59:49 GMT -5
The philosophy of time travel.
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Post by dan769 on Jun 23, 2009 18:00:52 GMT -5
If you follow the Philosophy of Time Travel you will see that Donnie is chosen to return the Artifact (jet engine) into the Primary Universe. This film has a few schools of thought as to the meaning of it all. The whole thing is a dream or a schizophrenic episode. Those things are red herrings put into the film so people who don't get it will still really enjoy it. To be honest its a good thing because never has a film that so few people understand been so popular. The actual story is very in depth and does require some reading of the pages of The Philosophy of Time Travel to get a better understanding. Heres some of the text in this link. www.translatum.gr/forum/index.php/topic,1712.0.html In here you will see that Donnie is chosen as the Living Receiver and he is granted some special powers to help him. Telekenisis (he Rips the jet engine off the plane) Increased Strength (he burys the axe into school water pipe and mascot) Conjuring Fire (he burns down Jim Cunninghams House) Conjuring Water (he builds a time portal to send the jet engine through) |
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Post by Phil on Jun 24, 2009 14:07:21 GMT -5
conjuring water is the flooding of the school
he also has hightened IQ. his iowa test scores are "intimidating"
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Post by dan769 on Jun 26, 2009 4:49:05 GMT -5
I personally think he builds the time portal out of water at the end of the movie. Richard Kelly says this as well on the Director's commentry.
Of course he does flood the school as well but i reckon building the portal was more impressive.
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Post by schizobunny on Aug 10, 2009 21:42:17 GMT -5
Dan769 Yes the engine is the same. Its just a matter of understanding T and PU. he goes into the TU when he 1st sees frank. Then the engine hits his room while hes not in it. Through the time of him being in the TU he realizes that he is... in he damn TU. So he sees the plane and then understands that he needs to telekenate the engine from the TU to the PU through the portal. Killing himself. so he sent both engines. the 2nd time it was in the PU
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Post by twinkle on Aug 15, 2009 9:56:41 GMT -5
I dont want it to sound like I don believe you, because I'm sure that you have gone into this alot more than I have, but I watched it a few times and I never picked up on the part where it is explained that he needs to send the engine back, or that he has telekinetic powers. so could you please help me out with that depends on which version you've seen- "original classic formula" Donnie (aka the theatrical release), or "new director's cut" Donnie (on dvd). the former is more ambiguous as to what's going on, the latter has much more exposition. [Richard Kelly has created 2 Donnie universes (or 4?) and perhaps a legion of Living Receivers out there attempting to reconcile them, if possible.] |
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