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Post by Bigboy on Mar 21, 2005 8:08:46 GMT -5
If it were as simple as that we would never have started this thread. If you play the website to the end and listen to the phone sonversation between the FAA guy and the British airline fella, and read the articles as they pop up, it becomes apparent that the engine is not missing in the PU (NB the phone conversation takes place 3 years after DD taked place.)
So the question remains - if the engine sent to the PU is the TU version of the engine, where did the first engine come from?
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Post by donnielighto on Mar 21, 2005 14:00:06 GMT -5
Please do not slam me but I have not listened to that conversation. When you say that the engine is not missing in the PU do you mean that the plane never lost an engine on Oct 30 in the PU? Obviously there can not be two engines in the PU after stabilization, however there is definitely one on Oct 2nd.
I have a fundamental question. Did the engine crashing on Oct 2nd in the PU always occur in that timeline? If not, then the events in the PU changed. In other words, was Donnie alive on Oct 30th in the PU before the disturbance and did Jim C. commit suicide in the original. I am assuming at the end the disturbance was a temporary phenomena and no longer is a part of the PU timeline.
This probably contradicts something in the book and/or website, but the only thing that makes sense to me is that a third timeline/PU was created after the disturbance was "fixed"--the original PU and of course TU no longer exist.
One other clarification please. Is it confirmed that the engine landed on Oct 2nd in the PU(when DD is killed)? Having it land on Oct 30th would make much more sense--coinciding with the plane losing its engine.
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Post by Madridarko on Mar 21, 2005 16:07:09 GMT -5
So the question remains - if the engine sent to the PU is the TU version of the engine, where did the first engine come from? But the first engine came from the PU... Somehow, someway.. the engine travelled back in time through a time portal and landed in the past which by now has divirged into a TU.. This is the one that Donnie avoided being killed by.(that is the 1st engine) The 2nd engine is the one that is in the TU, but still attached to the airplane.. meaning this is the one that Donnie sent through the time portal before the deviation of the TU... and ultimatly this is the engine that kills him... I guess the 3rd engine would be the one in the PU that is still attached to the plane. and the only thing that I can say about three-dimension timeline is that maybe Donnie's death somehow affects the PU's future, in a way that the third engine will cease going back in time (because if it does go back in time it will cause a sort of never-ending cycle type of thing by causing a TU to appear then dissappear) About your last question.. it would not make sense though if the engine was to be sent Oct. 30th because then what engine would have killed Donnie?.. also appearently we are dealing with time-travel, I don't think it would be possible to send the engine from Oct. 30th TU to Oct. 30th PU, because that would be interdemensional travel, not time-travel. Through time-travel you are able to acces interdimensional travel, but the same can't be said for the other way around. Basically the engine was sent back in time right before the TU split from the PU and took the path of the PU, closing the TU.
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Post by greedy on Mar 21, 2005 23:25:28 GMT -5
the 1st engine comes from the PU and is the artifact in the TU at the end of the movie we see the tu engine being ripped off of the plane thats why the indaviduals in each universe can not find where the engine comes from the time shift is outlined with the engines coexisting in the TU and PU
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Post by ProvidencePortal on Mar 25, 2005 11:50:31 GMT -5
Goodbye, retard. Wherever you are.
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Post by greedy on Mar 25, 2005 22:24:00 GMT -5
is DDR intenionaly trying to piss us off some people can be dipshits
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Post by Madridarko on Mar 26, 2005 0:28:24 GMT -5
You know... every time anybody does something as stupid and retarded as this, for some reason or another it always reminds me of Karma and that 3 fold way thing (whatever you do or say will be returned to you 3 times more powerful) and if I were to apply it to this situation.. all I can say is that I am sorry for you DDR..
"This is a text-book example... can you all just see the fear" in this umm.. kid?...
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Post by *eyes* on Mar 26, 2005 1:47:17 GMT -5
im sorry i dont no how to quote but with the person refering to karma 3 fold thing um do u mean the 3 fold law in wicca 'that whatever we may bring be it joy sorrow happiness or pain be brought back to us 3-fold' ??
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Post by Madridarko on Mar 26, 2005 21:01:45 GMT -5
im sorry i dont no how to quote but with the person refering to karma 3 fold thing um do u mean the 3 fold law in wicca 'that whatever we may bring be it joy sorrow happiness or pain be brought back to us 3-fold' ?? Yup.. exactly that one... I knew I had seen it or heared or read of it somewhere.. but couldn't remember exactly from what was it or from where.... Thanks though... appeareantly DDR deleted his post....
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Post by *eyes* on Mar 26, 2005 22:50:13 GMT -5
ya it was kind ascary to see
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Frank yes it IS my real name
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Post by Frank yes it IS my real name on Mar 31, 2005 0:05:43 GMT -5
I am a guest here, and my thoughts may not be of too much value, seeing that I have just watched DD for the first time...
My initial experience thus far has been that of extreme confusion. At points through the film I found that just as something was starting to make sense everything lost cohesion (if that is the correct word).
What I believe occured is a conundrum: that the plane on Oct 30 apparently lost its engine because of the black hole, yet ultimately the black hole is caused because of the plane losing its engine.
We know that, by reading the available pages of the Book (sorry if I can't quite remember the name at the moment), water is the agent and metal the vessel. Is it possible then that the TU was originally caused by perhaps a weak point in the 4th dimension at the exact point of the engine over Donnie's house on Oct 30?
It would certainly make sense since the 4th dimension's construct is water and clouds are also essentially water. There were, of course, plenty of clouds duing the flight on Oct 30 (as seen through the window during the flight scenes). So it is therefore possible that the catalyst to creating the TU was the plane flying over a weak point in the space-time continuum.
Events from that point would therefore fall into place: the engine would fall into Oct 2 and onto Donnie's house, creating the TU, creating the black hole at the exact moment in "real" time when the plane was flying over. Which would make it seem as though the black hole caused the engine to break off.
However! No wing was recovered, nor any other pieces of the plane. So therefore, it is logical to conclude that perhaps the engine "disappeared" from Oct 30 and reappeard on Oct 2. Which lends credibility to what I have written above.
Since the engine now existed removed from the plane prior to its actual removal, events on Oct 30 could resume normally in the PU.
Since the engine was returned (although I'm still unclear as to how Donnie returned it) to the PU, the TU could have then collapsed and healed that weak spot in the sky. No weak spot = no plane with a missing engine. But the engine of Oct 2 still exists because it was "zapped" into existance (and returned) before the events of Oct 30 transpired.
Sort of like "All good things" in Star Trek: The Next Generation, where events of the future affected events of the past. Yet Captian Picard still retained the knowledge of the rifted future after the rift was healed.
That's my $1.49 for what it's worth (I'm sick of using 2 cents). Take it or leave it.
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Post by greedy on Mar 31, 2005 13:02:39 GMT -5
im sorry i dont no how to quote but with the person refering to karma 3 fold thing um do u mean the 3 fold law in wicca 'that whatever we may bring be it joy sorrow happiness or pain be brought back to us 3-fold' ?? budism holds a similars belief
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Post by Bigboy on Mar 31, 2005 19:51:15 GMT -5
Well yeah - Karma's been mentioned, and as far as I know it originated with Buddhism (although I'm sure there are other religions with similar ideas). There are a couple of differences though - there is no x3 rule in Buddhism, and Buddhist Karma can span lives. That is, actions in this life might catch up with you in your next incarnation. (The idea that your actions in this life directly affect your station on the next is also central to Hindu beliefs.) Though you might have been thinking of the Eightfold Path, which isn't specifically to do with Karma, but are the basic tenets of Buddhism: www.thebigview.com/buddhism/eightfoldpath.html
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Post by Madridarko on Mar 31, 2005 22:23:09 GMT -5
I had really strong temptation of mentioning in my original post that it might be the buddhist path thingy... but I knew it was not that one.. so I just decided to ommit that idea..
"There are a couple of differences though - there is no x3 rule in Buddhism, and Buddhist Karma can span lives. That is, actions in this life might catch up with you in your next incarnation. "
That is.. untill Nirvana (enlightment) is achieved... and the never ending seeming cycle stops.
Correct me if I am wrong... in Hinduhism the equivilance would be reaching and joining Braham right? I think so.. unless I am confusing the word with Brahaman.. but I think that is the priestly/scholar status in the caste system......
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Post by *eyes* on Mar 31, 2005 23:57:00 GMT -5
r either of u buddhist? im interested in hearing about that from someone that is of what its about because right now im jumping around so far wicca seems amazing but buddhism intreagues me
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