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Post by Omnipotent on Nov 18, 2004 10:37:03 GMT -5
I want to start by saying that this may have been posted before and although I usually agree with members like Gretchen and ProvidencePortal when they say can you search before you ask questions, I have a simple explanation for that - I'm a hypocrite. ;D Now with that being said the board hasn't been that active these past few so I'm going to ask this question anyway. In DD Donnie's mother never meets Gretchen or has any knowledge he has a girlfriend but early on you see Donnie and Gretchen bouncing up and down on the trampoline together, which is obviously in the garden of the Darko household, when did it happen? Did they skip school, if it was a weekend the parents would have been in the house at some point right... Anybody have an inkling?
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Post by ecto on Nov 18, 2004 14:43:11 GMT -5
Hey I believe this will be my first post so yeah... good job me.
And I have just joined and haven't noticed many things going on so I figured I’ll just start things rolling.
Omni I was thinking pretty much the same thing as you and i came up with this idea. Correct me if I’m wrong but in the water ship down scene and after she goes outside and Donnie fallows he ask if she wants to cut out with him again and go to the ridge. Or something to that extent if I’m wrong whoops. So I’m guessing it's possible that they had ditched school a couple of times. Or if you've seen the extended scene were they find out schools been cancelled one of Donnie’s friends said "let's go to Donnie’s house both his parents are at work" so maybe Gretchen could have been over right after school and have left before Donnie’s parents returned home from work. Well that's my take on it at least.
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Post by Twitchmonkey on Nov 18, 2004 15:14:25 GMT -5
How do you know that Mrs. Darko never knew about Gretchen? Is there any evidence of that? Except of course for the ending but that takes place in a different dimension
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Post by Omnipotent on Nov 18, 2004 17:26:27 GMT -5
Good responses from both of you.
I guess that's true Twitch but I got the impression he kept it to himself.
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Post by gretchen on Nov 18, 2004 21:21:52 GMT -5
he DID keep it to himself, or at least try to. in the pumpkin carving scene, elizabeth mentions something about donnie having a g/f and donnie reacts with a stern "don't tell mom" and omni, you naughty boy just because it has been quiet the past few days doesn't mean you can run around breaking all the rules! *edit: welcome ecto!
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Post by Omnipotent on Nov 19, 2004 10:29:53 GMT -5
Hahaha please don't punish me.
;D
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Post by Reed on Dec 6, 2004 1:47:30 GMT -5
In DD Donnie's mother never meets Gretchen or has any knowledge he has a girlfriend but early on you see Donnie and Gretchen bouncing up and down on the trampoline together, which is obviously in the garden of the Darko household, when did it happen? They must've met at some point, because at the end of the movie, they make eye contact and there's that look of recognition, like they think they've met before. I theorize that they actually met in the original timeline, before the jet engine came. That the moment that they met in the end of the movie was actually the exact same moment when they met originally. But then the jet engine hit the house, preventing Donnie and Gretchen's original introduction, so Frank has Donnie vandalize the school so they'll meet again at the bus stop, yada yada yada.
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Post by ProvidencePortal on Dec 6, 2004 7:46:19 GMT -5
They must've met at some point, because at the end of the movie, they make eye contact and there's that look of recognition, like they think they've met before. Oi. Reed, do your namesake, will ya?! The facts on this are pretty clear: the PoTT explains that people awaking from the TU have vague, dream-like memories of what occured there ... thus explaining the look of "don't I know you?" that's exchanged between Gretchen and Rose. As Omni stated at the start of this thread, search before you ask questions and/or make postulations. And really, learning the basics by reading this forum is well worth it -- there's lots of interesting and well-written stuff here.
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Post by Reed on Dec 6, 2004 8:35:36 GMT -5
Oi. Reed, do your namesake, will ya?! The facts on this are pretty clear: the PoTT explains that people awaking from the TU have vague, dream-like memories of what occured there ... thus explaining the look of "don't I know you?" that's exchanged between Gretchen and Rose. As Omni stated at the start of this thread, search before you ask questions and/or make postulations. And really, learning the basics by reading this forum is well worth it -- there's lots of interesting and well-written stuff here. Are you for real?
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Post by ProvidencePortal on Dec 6, 2004 9:31:03 GMT -5
I am indeed. Imagine someone on a Superman sight posting, "Superman must be susceptible to calf cramps from Kryptonite ... because when it's near him, he crumples." Your post made an analogous proposal: half of it (that Gretchen and Rose appear to half-recognize each other as the movie closes -- Superman being impacted by Kryptonite, say) has long and repeatedly been noted by members of the forum; the other half is inaccurate based on the movie and the mythos (that they met before in the PU because they seem to recognize each other -- Kryptonite giving Superman calf cramps, to continue a silly comparison).
Because the point of Donnie's mom and Gretchen seemingly recognizing each other through some haze of memory at the end has been discussed, ironed out and answered as concretely as is possible a dozen times before, I find it incredibly unlikely that you read through the site or did a search before your postulation. And if you did both, I'm just flat-out confused about why you would post a contradictory -- some would say wrong -- and at the very least dismissive position.
You're right that I was short with you ... far shorter than I usually am. That's in part cumulative: both with you (you have made several such recap-in-a-vacuum posts that don't appear to take into account the conversations and conclusions that long precede them) and with infrequent contributors in general, who can't, it seems, be bothered to really engage in the discussions here. I'm sorry, though. Had I more patience, I would have posted what would have been about the one-thousandth gentle, kind request that people spend the time reading and reviewing the extended discussions that have gone on before them prior to posting. This time, I just didn't have it in me.
Again, apologies for the tone, but I'm afraid I can't apologize for the sense of my message, because I believe it's an expectation that's at the core of a true forum community.
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Post by Reed on Dec 6, 2004 17:53:09 GMT -5
I am indeed. Imagine someone on a Superman sight posting, "Superman must be susceptible to calf cramps from Kryptonite ... because when it's near him, he crumples." Your post made an analogous proposal: half of it (that Gretchen and Rose appear to half-recognize each other as the movie closes -- Superman being impacted by Kryptonite, say) has long and repeatedly been noted by members of the forum; the other half is inaccurate based on the movie and the mythos (that they met before in the PU because they seem to recognize each other -- Kryptonite giving Superman calf cramps, to continue a silly comparison). Because the point of Donnie's mom and Gretchen seemingly recognizing each other through some haze of memory at the end has been discussed, ironed out and answered as concretely as is possible a dozen times before, I find it incredibly unlikely that you read through the site or did a search before your postulation. And if you did both, I'm just flat-out confused about why you would post a contradictory -- some would say wrong -- and at the very least dismissive position. Well, excuse me. Next time, I'll be certain to read through and memorize the entire message base before responding to a question. And then, I'll make sure that my response is something along the lines of "Read all the messages, dumb ass!". You're right that I was short with you ... far shorter than I usually am. That's in part cumulative: both with you (you have made several such recap-in-a-vacuum posts that don't appear to take into account the conversations and conclusions that long precede them) and with infrequent contributors in general, who can't, it seems, be bothered to really engage in the discussions here. I'm sorry, though. Had I more patience, I would have posted what would have been about the one-thousandth gentle, kind request that people spend the time reading and reviewing the extended discussions that have gone on before them prior to posting. This time, I just didn't have it in me. Again, apologies for the tone, but I'm afraid I can't apologize for the sense of my message, because I believe it's an expectation that's at the core of a true forum community. Sorry, I've been such a bad boy. Please forgive me. The last thing in the world I'd ever want to do is to upset the expectations of the true forum community that you apparently speak for. I guess I didn't realize that even though this forum gets all of 5 posts per day, answering a question or making a point that had been made elsewhere in the forum in the last year or so would be such a burden on you. I know the 20 seconds you lost reading my post are 20 seconds you can never get back. I apologize to you and each and every member of the forum community, for so selfishly, so egregously, and so recklessly wasting a few seconds of their precious time. And I also would like to thank you, PP, for spending 10 minutes or so of your own precious time, scolding me for my ill manners and bad netiquette. If not for the guidance of wise people such as you, how would people like me ever learn the proper way to talk about a movie on the internet?
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Post by ProvidencePortal on Dec 6, 2004 21:59:23 GMT -5
Thank you for reading so attentively, Reed. It means a lot that you took my suggestion to heart.
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Post by Reed on Dec 6, 2004 22:38:12 GMT -5
Thank you for reading so attentively, Reed. It means a lot that you took my suggestion to heart. You're welcome. So anyway, who's the guy in the rabbit costume?
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Post by Omnipotent on Dec 8, 2004 3:31:47 GMT -5
You're welcome. So anyway, who's the guy in the rabbit costume? I've been wondering that same thing for months now.
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Post by ProvidencePortal on Dec 10, 2004 17:31:00 GMT -5
He's somebody who has submitted his body to the temptations of alcohol, drugs and pre-marital sex. His name is Frank. Again, I must give credit where it's due -- and notable wit is one such place.
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