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Post by Twitchmonkey on Aug 7, 2004 4:16:33 GMT -5
__-No i did not see it, i would love to if the chance arrives somtime. but does it explain the fact that in the reality shown donnie is clearly thought to be insane by his family and doctor burns down (mulitple) buildings and the such[/quote the important word here is thought....why wouldnt they think that? but it doesnt mean its true |
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Post by Chris on Aug 12, 2004 9:25:14 GMT -5
Hmm, i've only seen this movie twice but i dunno about about parallel universes... I was thinkin that maybe there's only one universe and donnie did a loop - a 28 day loop which ended when the engine crashed into his room, the '2nd' time.
So after the end of the movie things would go about there course with the exception of donnie not being there - no teacher exposed etc...
The only thing doind any time travelling as far as i know would be the planes engine (a metal object as told by donnies science teahcer)
Also, I think the old crazy lady that wrote the book also did the same loop thing but avoided dying at the end... got off the loop so to speak and has been mentally scarred because of it. Maybe frank did his thing with her back in the day.
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Post by 999 on Aug 28, 2004 16:31:32 GMT -5
Yes,
His pills are placebos.
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Post by Madridarko on Sept 27, 2004 20:00:33 GMT -5
Frank did honk on both times in the Movie.
And it is true, Donnie is the living reiciever and beacuse of that, has special "powers". Frank the manipulated dead has to place ensurance traps, that way donnie finds himself in the situation he is in at the cliff, and sees that he must send the engine back to the beggening to close the tangent universe paralle system. He himself doesn't kind of travels in time. He can just decide to to undue and kind of go back into his body at any given time. But the thing is that he can only use this ability to ensure the closure of the tangent universe and anytime he does it, he would partially lose contiuse of the events that happened. That is why when he wakes up at the bed. He kind of half knows what has happened, but believes it was all a dream and it is because he is the only one that could cause that timetravel thing to happen, if he dies, then there will be no tangent universe to go unto. So he has to die.
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Post by thisisyourknife on Sept 29, 2004 7:44:33 GMT -5
I still dont completely understand, if the engine was the only thing that did any time traveling how come gretchen didnt know who he was after he died and how come everything went back in time (the party, frank getting shot, gretchen getting ran over, etc.)
was the entire movie in a non-existant universe that only frank could see? was frank able to see what WOULD happen if he woke up and went out to the golf course and onwards? so therefore he decided to die instead?
please explain.
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Post by thisisyourknife on Sept 29, 2004 7:47:39 GMT -5
oops i meant Donnie not Frank
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Post by ProvidencePortal on Sept 29, 2004 8:20:27 GMT -5
was the entire movie in a non-existant universe that only frank could see? was frank able to see what WOULD happen if he woke up and went out to the golf course and onwards? so therefore he decided to die instead? please explain. As stated earlier in this thread, it's mostly agreed upon by the folks here that everything from Donnie waking up on the golf course on occurs in the Tangent Universe; the only time we're in the Primary Universe (the one threatened by the existence of the TU) is the end of the movie, from Donnie waking up in bed and laughing and through the "everyone's waking up" scenes. So, to answer your specific question, Gretchen doesn't know Donnie in the PU because they've never met there -- their introduction and romance occured completely in the TU, which no longer exists. However, according to the Philosophy of Time Travel, the people manipulated in the TU will awake in the PU with dream-like memories of their experiences there ... which is why everyone seems to have some recollection of what transpired in the TU as they wake up, and Gretchen and Donnie's mom appear to have a tentative, confused knowledge of one another. |
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Post by gretchen on Sept 29, 2004 18:33:42 GMT -5
just one thing... the point at which the TU begins cannot be exactly marked, as we do not see it in the film. we can however say that the TU is in effect just before frank the BR says "wake up, donnie". if the TU hadn't begun here, and had only started after he woke on the golf course... you would be implying that the BR was able to contact donnie in the PU. again, an interesting idea to think of, but not supported. if this were true, a PU engine would have fallen in the PU. by the time FAA agents would have made it to the darkos' residence, they would know about the plane which had crashed.
also if you notice, the TU opens when MOST everyone in the film is asleep. and in the end, when we see the PU again... it is just after midnight... and most everyone in the film has just awoken from dreaming...
enforcing the need for a dreamlike aspect of the tangent.
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Post by Madridarko on Sept 29, 2004 19:05:48 GMT -5
I think the Tangent Universe actually started a bit before Frank woke up Donnie, because Frank is a manipulated dead, so frank's influence and "powers" limit him to the tangent universe only. So because Frank woke up Donnie, that means the the Tangent Universe must have started moments before that or at that time.
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Post by gretchen on Sept 29, 2004 19:29:07 GMT -5
exactly.
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Post by ProvidencePortal on Sept 30, 2004 11:14:27 GMT -5
I misspoke. I'm wholly in agreement with both of you -- we are already watching Donnie in the TU when he wakes up on the golf course. And the TU most certainly begins at some point just before Frank says, "wake up."
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