Donnie's time spear--the gun

[rightfielder21]

madridarko said:

I personally think that that googly eye thing was very unessesary and did not go along with the movie. I considered it a terrible special effect even if it was porpously made to look how it is.

I agree.... I didn't care for it...

[josh]

No appologies necessary Providence. It was a fair question/concern.

While the "Goggely eye thing was" a bit much I think the intent was important; to suggest some signficant event, mainly his perspective into Gretchen's time spear. And while the voice over of "cellar door" is in that scene, Gretchen wasn't there to hear or know of the cellar door statement by Pomery. Therefore it seems that the tie in between grandma death and cellar door, i.e. Grandma death's cellar door is what motivates Donnie.#nosmileys

[hmm]

wow...read further up that this site has been here for years..!says alot about the complexity of this movie, that people still discuss it. i have seen the movie a couple of times, and love it, but i have some questions that i hoped you could answer..
- how does grandma death know that donnie is going to write to her? i assume that she does, because i see no other logical explanation as to why her walking back and fourth would play such a relatively large part in the film.
-what is frank? is he a person, who was somehow chosen to guide donnie in the tangent universe? because in the end of the film, he doesn´t seem to know any more than the others about what has happened.

[ProvidencePortal]

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[Alven]

Actually, what I was thinking..

What if the person creates their own based on their mind, meaning, that no one else determines their actions, but them, and thats what they were going to do anyway.

[Madridarko]

to hmm question. I know that you should search for the places indicated where you might find answeres for it. But I just want to briefly address it, It is a common theory through here that Grandma death was given "divine insight" that made her realize of Donnie's letter that was to come. and also remember that all the Manipulated Living act in a weired complot like way in order for a succesfull endurance trap.
frank is a person that is killed in the Tangent Universe thus has powers to travel through the 4th dimension barrier of time which basically allows him to travel back to donnie and then the movie happens etc...

[Lacrimae Angeli]

From the moment Donnie is the LR, everything happens for a reason: in the end Donnie has to understand that is mission is to save the world. So, everything that happens leads to that. He had to find the gun so he could shoot Frank.

(sorry if i'm repeating someone, but i didn't read all the posts ^^; )

[Madridarko]

Lacrimae said:

From the moment Donnie is the LR, everything happens for a reason: in the end Donnie has to understand that is mission is to save the world. So, everything that happens leads to that. He had to find the gun so he could shoot Frank.

(sorry if i'm repeating someone, but i didn't read all the posts ^^; )

Yup! that is basically it!

It's technically reffered to as the "Ensurance Trap"... It is a "trap" set up by the Manipulated Dead (Frank the Bunny Rabbit) helped along with the Manipulated Living that will ensure that Donnie sends the engine through the portal, and thus saving the universe from utter oblivion...

[guest]

frank gets donnie the book which introduces him to spears which shows him the gun. the gun is use to kill frank. Frank can see the future so he knows he gets killed

[Everburn]

I haven't read the entire forum so forgive if this has already been mentioned (though i doubt it)

OK

MD Frank represents Fate

By fate i mean, G-d's Will, the channel, what ever you call it.

Now it was 'Fate' (ie MD Frank) that Donnie was not in bed at the beginning of the movie

Now... Donnie says to Thurman that because Frank saved his life, he must obey him (eg flooding school, burning house)

Now, Donnie sees his Fate and he must obey his fate as fate saved his life.

Donnie is indebted to Fate

Time is controlled by G-d... (as said in the discussion with Prof. Monitov)

When Donnie speaks of time he is referring to ones chosen path (ie his fate)

And he is forced to obey his spear as:
His spear is his fate
his fate is his chosen path
his path is chosen by G-d
And as he is indebted to fate he is indebted to G-d
It is a life debt
and the rules of a life debt are that of becoming subservient to your saviour until you can pay it off by saving their life

AND THAT IS WHY DONNIE MUST FOLLOW HIS SPEAR

i hope everything made sense

[Bigboy]

The Frank=God's Agent is a pretty common interpretation (Deus Ex Machina and all that).

It makes the assuption that God exists - which I can never make work for me in DD. (Load of discussion on this elsewhere...)

If you do assume that God exists, you may as well just assert that God's will is immutable and leave it at that - the proof above is moot.

The debt is a nice touch though - the only way to save the life of a dead person is to save the universe - undoing the events of the TU...

[godlysparrow]

What if a Time path is the Same even if you replace the Cause and Effect, because have the same Relation between them. According to Einstein, Time is relative. Even though the Events Change, the Passage of Time does not here maybe. Note the Term used for the Universe Donnie is said to travel to is the Tangent Universe, Tangent Lines run through a curve. Therefore, General Relativity is meant to be applied to this Film(as Space-Time is curved in General Relativity) and this Scenario only work in a Relativistic View of Time, not in a Classical One.