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Post by Savant on Nov 4, 2003 0:55:19 GMT -5
Sparrow's book does mention something about God. I forget where, but it say something about a higher power guiding. I don't understand what you mean by the lost serial number. I remember it saying that the serial number was the exact same as a current plane, but the plane was fully intact. I could be wrong but I don't feel like checking up on it now, it's late and that website creeps me out. Personally I think God did this all for Donnie because he was almost ready to pass to the next level but needed to learn a few more lessons, which he got in the tangent universe.
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Post by ben foster on Nov 5, 2003 3:59:52 GMT -5
why are you people making god out to be a man? in christianity, isnt god neither? or maybe both? so why all this god is a he mumbo...lets call god....it. i think that makes more sense. i know, i know...not much in the christianity makes sense, so why should this? who knows. ask the g-o-d.
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Post by Savant on Nov 5, 2003 20:57:46 GMT -5
Whatever God is, God is to abstract for us humans to fully comprehend, so any way that we refer to Him will only be one facet of whatever He really is. Referring to God as "It" falls into this mistake too, as if he is a tangible thing. If we are going to attempt a universall term for God I would suggest All as it. even though this would be a flawed term too.
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Post by EricDraven on Nov 5, 2003 21:39:48 GMT -5
Ben Foster, before you go off and make yourself look stupid again,I suggest you watch the movie again or maybe for you,three times. Or maybe get some idea about what you're talking about before putting something ignorant.This isnt a Christian movie,but it has alot to do with it. Everyone(except for you) knows that according to god, everything is pre-destined,you would have known this if you watched the movie in the conversation with his teacher. In Christianity,God is all (nicely said Savant) He is both Man and ghost and beast and blind faith.The whole theme of the movie is this,if all time is pre-decided,and all time is controlled by god,then is it God that leads Donnie into this mad world?or is it pure guessing of what to do now?YOu know what,you dont need to be on this board,but on some religious website,you need to understand god before you can understand this,sorry....
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Post by EricDraven on Nov 5, 2003 21:55:04 GMT -5
Savant,what I meant by the lost serial number was this,if they had account for an engine already by the same number,then what they were asking was were did this one come from.What I think is when the FAA had Rose sign the paper that she wont talk,they were just as lost as she was,and they didnt want her talking to anyone so no one would spawn rumors that they were trying to be killed or terrorist or something like that...
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Post by Eavan on Nov 22, 2003 17:34:19 GMT -5
Ok now I'm lost. I thought I had figured it out, until I stumbled on this site After reading several posts, a lot of questions come up. Considering everyone has a theory, and everyone seems to think they are right....but also, everyone seem to leave out certain things in the movie. For example, I would have agreed on a certain theory, but then the guy in the red suit is not mentioned. If that guy is Donnie, and he went back, why did he go back? If he is the old fat guy in red, he would know in *that* life, that Gretchen will die. So, he decides to go back in time, many many years later to undo her death? That doesn't make sense. The only thing I feel that could be a hint that Donnie actually did get older, is that he talks to the chinese girl (name slipped sorry) and tells her everything will get better for her. So, he knows her future looks bright. Which he could only know if he actually did get older.. ? And why does the end show Frank sitting by his bed, showing his drawings for his costume, touching his eye? Because for some reason he feels something ? But didn't happen after all? Because Donnie changed the future? And where did Roberta Sparrow go when they went to her house, the night Gretchen died? She wasn't there, but the punk kid was? All chararters seem to know something, the Chinese girl knows something, so does the English teacher, she stares at Sprakle motion with a certain look... Argh. Eavan
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Post by Eavan on Nov 22, 2003 18:01:57 GMT -5
Okay, never mind that post. I figured it out All those posts made me doubt and question myself, but I read the book again, and I am no longer in doubt. Eavan
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Post by Zombieguy on Dec 3, 2003 14:12:04 GMT -5
The entire time travel theory in this movie is off and is why it has puzzled me. Time can only happen once, you can not go back and change something that has already happend. In other words lets say I travel back in time to 1980 when I was 10, and I talk to myself face to face, I still have to exist as a 10 year old in 1980 and as a 33 year old in 2003 I would remember when I was 10 and talked to my future self. Therefore in Donnie Darko, if he traveled back in time to when the engine crashed through his house, there would still be the Donnie Darko asleep on the golf course unless everything that happend in the movie was just a dream and the only time traveling was Donnie being able to see into the future.
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Post by phishpac on Dec 6, 2003 1:06:27 GMT -5
zombieguy the whole idea is that no one (including yourself) knows for sure whether time is linear. by that i mean, does the past cease to exist once it has passed? If it does exist, does changing it have any effect on the future, or does it exist on it's own suspended in time forever, the year of 1980. No one knows anything specific about time travel, and exactly how time exists beyond the present, so any thoughts, theories, or movies are just that... thoughts, theories, and movies
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Post by Fatty on Dec 8, 2003 17:38:58 GMT -5
"Time can only happen once" This is where you went wrong. We already know we can time travel, in effect we are time travelling now - *if* we could get an object to sit motionless (impossible due to universal expansion) then we would actually move slower through time in comparison to that object; as thanks to einstein we know the faster you go... the slower relative time for you will go, when compared to a slower object. Now, if we were to ignore the bit about going faster than light ( never ever ever mention going faster than light to a physicist) then we can assume that what they meant by their "space ship" was in fact something to hold the wormhole, because then if you put this wormhole in a ship, and got the ship to go near the speed of light for a while, then eventially the wormhole would in effect be a wormhole through time - as its been moving real fast, it's relative time compared to ours has been slower, so when the wormhole returns, it will be a wormhole that connects to say.... 28 days ago? Then if you placed one side of the wormhole at the house (the side in the past) and the other to catch the engine (in the future) then you could move the engine into the past. That's a bit tricky to understnad, but on the plus side its based on real physical theories... and you don't need to go faster than light ;D. Sadly in the film they said they would have to go faster then light... but what do they know?! You might not even need a spaceship... you could just have the wormhole move near the speed of light without a spaceship... but it'd have to do it of its own accord... which doesn't make much sense.
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Post by sparklemotion on Dec 17, 2003 0:43:48 GMT -5
sorry i posted and pressed enter before i typed nething. but neway i loving what eric and then the other guy was saying about how all of that happened for donnie so he could know people loved him or something along those lines. and i was thinking about "signs" which was reallly a movie about a man finding his faith, thats kinda like donnie, he went through all of that shiz with the tangent universe to find something, and he found faith. damn, who cares if im wrong, i still love this movie
sparkle.
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Post by sparklemotion on Dec 17, 2003 0:49:46 GMT -5
eavan, some answers (this is explained by my friend who is insane over this movie)
the fat asian girl is supposed to be donnies guardian angel, she never gets close to him but is always there watching him. when donnie gets to close to her and touches her, it messes everything up cuz a guardian angel is just supposed to watch, not interfere.
the red suit guy( this one im wondering more about as i type this) is the government watching donnie and making sure he doenst talk about the crash that occured at his house. making sure he doesnt tell neone about nething.
tell me how im wrong, and ill listen
sparkle
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Post by sparklemotion on Dec 17, 2003 1:06:08 GMT -5
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Post by EricDraven on Dec 17, 2003 19:48:36 GMT -5
Hey Sparklemotion, yes,you are on the right track but missed the wrong train, ok, the guy in the red suit does work for the Government,he happens to be an FAA agent,making sure no one talks,specifically there to watch Donnie because he seems to be the main focus on "how did that miss him?" but personally I think he was in the tangent universe to interupt the kiss in between Donnie and Gretchen,because if they did kiss, it could risk the idea of him closing the tangent universe or delay more time he didnt have.
The idea about the girl being Donnies guardian angel, I dont know about that, but they knew that she had a crush on Donnie. When he said "Everything will be alright for you someday" she responds "chut up" in her acsent. She either is embarrassed because even her crush knows shes got it bad, or, she doesnt want to admit it.
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Post by silence on Dec 21, 2003 7:26:44 GMT -5
First and foremost I would like to say that donnie darko is a great film. A great film that brings together so many theroies. Kelly is a true artist. In a sense because he gives us are own opinions and interpretations on what his concept really means. I don't think their is one true meaning to the film. He leaves the true answers up to us, just like Donnie's has to find the truth for himself. I believe that the movie is very symbolistic and brings up questions of science vs. religion. The fact that we know how humanity has stemmed from a single celled organism to the creatures we are today, but what does matter come from?, who created it?, God? Maybe; maybe not. Living is the path that we choose in life. The path that is given to us by something or someone. Our battle is the battle of one's self. Donnie knew he was going to die in 28 days, he trusted his own questions. He knew it was up to him to face his fears. No one chooses his/her chance to be born and to be born is face the inevitable fate of death. But everyone who lives is given a choice on how to live. The fact of the matter is that Donnie did change and he did it on his own. He faced his own fears through visions and desparation. He realized that he was loved and he could love. Even thougth his realtionship with Gretchin didn't really happen, he understood that love was the only thing he could really comfort his fears of the end of the world(his death). Love was the one thing that was lacking. With that he was not afraid of death. So basically I think that Keyes story of Donnie Darko lets us understand that death is our fate as humans. But everyday we are given a chance to change our path. Donnie made amends with his destiny. And we are given that chance by someone or something which science cannot always explain. So it is our choice to obtain an enlightenment of one's self before we die. And if we do maybe we create our own heaven and if we don't maybe we die alone.
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