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Post by DDarko on Sept 8, 2007 10:47:03 GMT -5
From The Philosophy of Time Travel:
So Rose & Samantha's plane has to be the replica of the plane which was copied wrong(where the extra engine did come from).
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Post by Bigboy on Sept 8, 2007 15:39:07 GMT -5
That the artifact was a copy of a part of THAT particular plane when it could have been anything else in the universe is a BIG coincidence.
We do get from the PoTT that artifacts are necessarily metal, which narrows it down. And there is fair reason to believe that the corruption is very close to Donnie's house and is the focal point of all the wierdness, which narrows it down further. But it's still a big coincidence.
Maybe the future scientist / god / whatever can't help the corruption or the artifact but they can influence how the artifact manifests?
Deus Ex Machina is a wonderful thing!
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Post by Darko on Sept 8, 2007 16:51:40 GMT -5
Is it really a that big coincidence? I don't think a single plane flies a substantial amount of routes, so the jet engine that fell down on the 2nd of October in the tangent universe could(should) have been the same as the engine that fell down on the 2nd of October in the primary universe. The first engine came from the primary universe and vice-versa. But where the first engine just makes a trip from the primary to the tangent universe, the second engine also goes back in time! Another difference is the legibility of the serial numbers. The serial number of the engine that fell down in the tangent universe is not readable, whilst the serial number of the engine that fell down in the primary universe actually was readable! Flight routes: Tangent universe: 30 October: probably some place in Virginia - Los Angeles, California(there was the dancing contest, wasn't it?) Primary universe: 30 October: San Francisco, California - Denver, Colorado(according to the phone conversation hearable on the official Donnie Darko-site) Damn, just blown away my own theory. Then is my question as follows: How is it possible that the plane in the tangent universe flying route Virginia - L.A. exactly has the same serial number as the plane in the primary universe flying route San Francisco - Denver?
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Post by Bigboy on Sept 8, 2007 17:36:46 GMT -5
I think you have a date wrong - San Fancisco flightpath is talking about where the plane is at the time of the conversation, which is some months after october '88. It's not unusual for the assets of a travel company to move from route to route.
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Post by Darko on Sept 9, 2007 6:32:19 GMT -5
Indeed, I do have the date wrong. But you're wrong too. The trip San Francisco - Denver takes place on 2 October in the primary universe. At the time the phone conversation takes place, the plane has just arrived in Honolulu.
My question stays the same, though: How is it possible that the plane in the tangent universe flying route Virginia - L.A. exactly has the same serial number as the plane in the primary universe flying route San Francisco - Denver?
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Post by steven on Oct 9, 2008 2:17:52 GMT -5
its just a coincidence that his mom and sister was on the plane they just had to be out of the house so that the party could be thrown and frank would leave to get beer and run over gretchen were donnie shoots him in the eye
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Post by dan769 on Dec 9, 2009 19:11:10 GMT -5
Possibly because they were on flight 2806 that left from gate 42 at 12am...
I think we had just reached the point where everything was coming together and it was another way of linking characters and story details to events.
Personally I don't think it made any difference if they were on the plane other than for a focal point for the onboard clip when the engine rips off.
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Post by Dinja on Feb 7, 2010 2:35:56 GMT -5
Gretchen, this thread has been posted elsewhere. Please moderate!
Just kidding. You're all incredibly fucking lame.
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Post by JustinSire on May 10, 2010 4:16:55 GMT -5
This is my first post, and likely my last. Bear with me, it is long, but I figured I'd weigh in as I believe this question is at the core of the movie.
Well, I just saw the movie for the first time 20 mins ago, and I believe the significance of this particular plane is to explain why or how the "living receiver" is chosen. After all its not just why his mom and sister are on the plane...its why Donnie is the receiver at all...
"No one knows how or why a Receiver will be chosen." - The Philosophy of Time
Or do they? The film knows: obviously Donnie was chosen not just to exercise the right of film but to suggest something else. "God's path" of the universe.
Considering one path of "time" exists on one strand (or timeline) viewed from 3rd person as if written on a peace of paper, God sees all time "events" at once (like readable text, in fact editable).
So why his mom and sister, and why Donnie? This particular path of time is edited (giving way to all the consequences seen within the film) because of the subsequent, tragic, events that will follow if it is not. Donnie's mother and sister are killed if Donnie does not instead sacrifice himself...thus Donnie is chosen, thus the story...
Paradox! You might say, for if it were not for the jet engine ripping off in the future and landing in the past, the events leading up to that future, which occur in the past in order facilitate this future, could not occur. Yes and no.
Taking into account the proposed philosophy of time, there is no endless loop like current common time alterations discussions suggest. "Donnie Darko" (the film) seems entirely assertive in divine intervention being the reason for the creation of the initial Tangent Universe: set and written on the "timeline" is the death and plane crash of Donnie's mother and sister, soon rewritten.
What is this all getting at? God creates the Tangent Universe and rips the "initial" Jet engine off, in an overall scheme to save Donnie's mother and sister. The Tangent Universe created exists for Donnie to act within, using FREE WILL (albeit guided) to come by the final solution (to Gods meandering equation) to in fact save his mother and sister and the universe itself: The artifact is returned, the Tangent Universe dissipated, and the tragic event avoided.
All this could be said to happen in a split second, what we see in the film is the blink of an eye alternative to what "is." In a sense there is in fact one "reality" which we see in the concluding chapter of the story: Jet engine falls and kills boy.
Anyone Privy to this reality would consider it a terrible tragedy and wonder "Why?".
Well, God works in mysterious ways. Thats why.
Perhaps that is the message of the film... not as quaint or cliche, but by displaying the apparent chaos, intricacy, and unfathomable physics behind the inner workings of a single event, means to comment on the unimaginable clockwork of "God's plan", as frightening, tragic, bizarre, and beautiful as it might seem to a viewer...
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Post by ProvidencePortal on May 13, 2010 13:50:31 GMT -5
Justin,
Thank you -- an eloquent and thoughtful post. We share several points of agreement: an edited timescript played out in the blink of an eye, a modified ("guided") version of free will, and The Mover being of divine origin.
One bit I'm not sure of is the idea that Donnie is Moved to intervene before terrible things will befall his mother and sister. If you believe (as many do -- including me) that the TU is an ultimately irrelevant copy of the PU (one might say, isn't the real reality), and that it doesn't seem suggested in the movie that Donnie's mom and sister are in mortal danger, how would you then reconcile the idea that Donnie does what he does to save them?
Interested in your thinking. Thanks for what you've shared already.
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Post by ojdodge on Apr 3, 2011 11:21:42 GMT -5
I understood ending, but why Donnie Darko considered a 'cult' film? Is it something to do with the ending or just because some people really liked it and others didn't?
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