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Post by bbzzdd on Nov 12, 2003 19:12:15 GMT -5
TEXT OK after reading all thoe post, doing everything I can to work out the ending, its just so simple. Basically Darko saw the future, but in a different year. So he basically the rabbit was there to show him well if u don't die by the jet falling on u, this is what your life is going to be like, basically more wrecked up thank it was to begin with. Mayby this was to show him that his life could be worse than it already is, when he thought it was worse already. Because it was showing him well if u dont die ur going to en dup going crazi and shooting me , your girlfriend will die who u love,. He might of on the way un covered somethings such as "kitty porn" but if that had happened then darkos mum and sister would of been on the plane, because the other mum wanted to stay back and protest. So he would of lost them. Basically by diying he saved him self pain. I think when he came back to reality, back tot he night it was meant to happen. He was laughing because he knew what was going to happen. I belive that the jet falling is the barrier between the other universe and reality. And by it falling sort of restarted it. Also did anyone notice the cookie jar in the kitchen? It was the face of the rabbit but it was orange and made outof ceramic or clay.
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Post by Pax on Nov 12, 2003 20:28:51 GMT -5
Interesting stuff. I agree that possibly Donnie was shown the future and so chose to die. Also, just for trivia's sake, the "cookie jar" is actually a pumpkin carved by Donnie in one of the deleted scenes. Peace.
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Post by joseluis on Nov 14, 2003 3:54:36 GMT -5
BBzzDD (BTW buy yourself a name!)
It's an interesting theory but that´s the beginners theory. That´s the way RK wants you to see the movie as a normal spectator and the way all of us probably thought the first time we saw the movie.
However, it´s much more complex. Although the general concept it's the same there is actually time travel involved (just read the time travelling book and you'll see how there are more things involved).
JL
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Post by darkmystic on Nov 17, 2003 18:59:16 GMT -5
Cookie jar is the pumpkin carved by donnie. I disagree that any of that stuff (like shooting Frank) would have happened if he lived. Remember, the portal was closed, which means no more manipulated. He most likely would never have even talked to Gretchen had he lived, since that was caused by flooding the school, which was caused by Frank. bb: You wrote 'He might of on the way un covered somethings such as "kitty porn"' Its spelled 'kiddie porn' which is bad enough. Lets not get the poor kitties into it.
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Post by Fatty on Dec 7, 2003 17:03:09 GMT -5
A slightly better explanation is that the universe was devised to give Donnie a taste of life he never got to experience - such as love etc.
i.e. "God loves all his Children"
This would explain why Frank got him up in the first place.
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Post by Autumn Angel on Dec 10, 2003 2:00:33 GMT -5
so just hypothesizeing here, what if he did live? Actually survived the crash or got up out of bed before the engine fell or the engine really not having to fall back through the portal at all?
What would have happened?
The FAA would have put the family in a Hotel. The kids would still go to school the next day. Gretchen would still have to sit next to Donnie in class. Maybe things would develop differently from there on.
So, if the engine did have to fall back through the portal than Donnie did have to die, he had no choice, i guess that is one way to look at if you need a reason for his death.
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Post by Chris T on Dec 10, 2003 10:05:24 GMT -5
Well angel the movie does deal with choice vs. destiny and donnie conludes you can have both.
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Post by Anon on Dec 11, 2003 8:09:06 GMT -5
Hi all,
i read this site that says that if Donnie has discovered the ability to jump back into the past, he then proves that God does exist (as his life is preodianed (if thats how you spell it!?) he can therefore jump back to any point) because if God doesn't exist then everything is random. Therefore if God does exist then nobody dies alone. Clear?? Anyhoo if you read that site this is for you.
I disagree. The person who told him that "every creature dies alone" is infact the same person (Roberta Sparrow) who has discovered time travel. So that means that there is no God. Haven't got the chance to expand upon this, but all replies are welcome. Also I think he's dead at the beginning when he's in the hills ;D
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Post by Dark Blood on Jan 2, 2004 20:21:07 GMT -5
Ok heres a kind of the smae thing but different, please excuse the spelling quite bad at it. Right Donnie was saved by Frank the guy in the rabbit suit, but it was the dead frank that saved him not the living one. When Donnie was "ment" to die a portal/time rift apeared above his room, well for the plane bit to fall on his room when the rift occured, Frank told him to follow him and he did changing the plan that was set for him by the "worker" (the thing that came out of his stomach, that kept everyone along the path that god had set P.s solar plexus was not in the place it was said in the film (its just above the belly button). Ok now what if donnie had followed frank but not out of his room! to a place where he had not died to a semi realitly created due to the choce that was made which should not of been possible due to the fact that people didn't make choices they were made for them by the workers or the will of god or fate even. The rift in time created 2 worlds one where he (Donnie)had died and the other where he did not the one where he had died was created due to the rift in one time merging with the rift in another creating a dule reality if you like. But this gave donnie a look at the world with the choice to go againest fate and tell god that he can sick his plans. But he saw the missary and the pain that this would cause the world, his girl freind dieing, his mum and sis dieing, and shooting frank at the end. Then the rift formed again at the end and he was back to the place where he had first hear frank, frank the ghost of this other realitly created by this choice that only exsistes when time is altered and showed donnie the pain that is cause when going againest fate or god! ;D is that a little too indepth? looking for something that isn't there? P.S i have seen that bit in lots of films where a split second is made into another choice that had not worked out so the choice that was there was not there at all it could never be made there for not being a true choice to begain with! ;D darkblood87@hotmail.com
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Post by Dark Blood on Jan 2, 2004 20:22:13 GMT -5
Ok heres a kind of the smae thing but different, please excuse the spelling quite bad at it. Right Donnie was saved by Frank the guy in the rabbit suit, but it was the dead frank that saved him not the living one. When Donnie was "ment" to die a portal/time rift apeared above his room, well for the plane bit to fall on his room when the rift occured, Frank told him to follow him and he did changing the plan that was set for him by the "worker" (the thing that came out of his stomach, that kept everyone along the path that god had set P.s solar plexus was not in the place it was said in the film (its just above the belly button). Ok now what if donnie had followed frank but not out of his room! to a place where he had not died to a semi realitly created due to the choce that was made which should not of been possible due to the fact that people didn't make choices they were made for them by the workers or the will of god or fate even. The rift in time created 2 worlds one where he (Donnie)had died and the other where he did not the one where he had died was created due to the rift in one time merging with the rift in another creating a dule reality if you like. But this gave donnie a look at the world with the choice to go againest fate and tell god that he can sick his plans. But he saw the missary and the pain that this would cause the world, his girl freind dieing, his mum and sis dieing, and shooting frank at the end. Then the rift formed again at the end and he was back to the place where he had first hear frank, frank the ghost of this other realitly created by this choice that only exsistes when time is altered and showed donnie the pain that is cause when going againest fate or god! ;D is that a little too indepth? looking for something that isn't there? P.S i have seen that bit in lots of films where a split second is made into another choice that had not worked out so the choice that was there was not there at all it could never be made there for not being a true choice to begain with! ;D darkblood87@hotmail.com
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Post by darkofan23 on Jan 12, 2004 23:42:33 GMT -5
Some people here are saying it would give donnie a taste of his life if he lived..makes no since seeing how cunningham, his teacher, frank, and some others had the same experiance with the tangent universe only they were themselves.
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Post by Frenzal on Jan 13, 2004 20:34:26 GMT -5
The tangent universe wasn't created to give Donnie a view of his life if he had lived... It was created when an artifact broke through the dimensions and created a worm hole, this created a tangent universe and as described in The Philosophy of Time Travel, 'a tangent universe can only sustain itself for a matter of weeks.' So here is what happens, Frank (the manipulated dead) communicates with Donnie (the living receiver) so that he can place the artifact in to the primary universe so that it would make sense in the scheme of life. Donnie was going to die so I don't believe he had any kind of choice, he either got crushed by the jet engine or got annihilated by the apocolypse created by the unstable tangent universe folding in on itself.
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Post by LizLax22 on Jan 22, 2004 21:09:44 GMT -5
I believe that God or some higher being of some sort created this tangent universe so that Donnie would in fact realize that he was not alone....kind of like how when people have a near death experience they always say how God told them to come back because it wasn't their time to die or something of that sort....
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Post by All that will be must be on Feb 19, 2004 0:55:11 GMT -5
I think that the movie is showing God's path and the choices we think we have and the true paths we are destined to take. At the theatre The Last Tempation Of Christ is showing, watch this and you will understand the concepts better. R. Kelly talks about this and an episode of the Twilight Zone where a man who is to be executed dreams of his escape and a different reality. All comments on this would be interesting... One of the best movies ever, open to all interpretations, can't wait for directors cut... Peace
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Post by Taw on Feb 22, 2004 22:36:41 GMT -5
I think by Donnie seeing the future he was given a choice to save the world and the people he loved or would love (Gretchen). I think this idea is also supported when Gretchen tells him his name sounds like a super heros name and he says "How do you know I'm not?". Just thought that was interesting.
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