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Post by Chris T on Nov 10, 2003 9:54:08 GMT -5
Mystic, I dont understand. So, Donnie didnt have to die? thats not very heroic. If he isnt making the ultimate sacrifice the symbolism is greatly reduced. And why is it that Roberta Sparrow was afraid that her book was nonfictional? Wouldnt she be aware of the truth? Im just pissed cause I thought I understood it all for the most part.
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Post by crisweaver on Nov 10, 2003 12:41:00 GMT -5
tbh if u want to know what its about then watch it with the commentry because that has all the answers even states about the red jogging suit dude being an FAA agent
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Post by darkdude1984 on Nov 10, 2003 21:09:06 GMT -5
to all the DD fans that are confused. Darkmystic, i agree with some of your opinions and theorys, but the guy in the red jumpsuit isnt donnie from the future. infact, donny dosnt come from the present day at all. Donnie dosnt even time travel at all except what you see in the movie. its pretty simple to understand once you watch the movie with the commentary. the red guy is simply an FAA agent watching what donnie is doing because the goverment is also confused about the jet engine falling from nowhere. and the thing with the IMG baby is a good theory but personally the IMG baby just meant that if you change something that nature intended then you could mess a whole chain of events up. I really dont think that you need to think completely off the wall to get the movie. Basically what they show you in the movie is what you get to figure it out.
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Post by darkmystic on Nov 11, 2003 0:56:15 GMT -5
Chris, Nope....Donnie did not have to die. He had already closed the portal. So why did he die then? Because he glimpsed the mind of God. You see, the entire movie is a deux ex machina. Frank, Gretchen, the school punks, etc, are all being manipulated to create the final scenario where Donnie closes the portal. Why are they manipulated. The answer is given to us clearly when Frank says, "God loves his children.". Knowing the mind of God, Donnie is given a unique choice. To die as God intends or to reject His plan and live. Roberta Sparrow was also given this choice at some point and chose the later. It is implied this is why she died alone. "I can only hope this is a work of fiction" Donnie is starting to realize what happened to her. Remember that after traveling in time, a person's memory starts to fade, like after a dream. It could be that Roberta Sparrow had doubts about whether her experience was in fact reality, or just a dream. Either way, she was wise enough to write it down. Dark Dude, I conceded the point that the fat guy in the red jump suit is in fact an FAA agent several times on this thread. However, I do not believe that that takes away from the overall theory of traveling from the present. In fact not only does Donnie traveling from the present fit seamlessly into the story. But it also explains 1. A seemingly arbitrary time period 2. A whole chain of dialog that would otherwise be a bit superfluous. 3. The cause of the tangent universe in the first place.
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Post by darkmystic on Nov 11, 2003 1:25:29 GMT -5
POETRY DAY A storm is coming, Frank says. A storm that will swallow the children, and I will deliver them from the kingdom of pain. I will deliver the children back to their doorsteps; I'll send the monsters back to the underground. I'll send them back to a place where no one else can see them, except for me because I am Donnie Darko Mrs. Pomeroy: Who is Frank? Donnie: He's a six foot tall bunny rabbit. I had to post this again because it supports the point I was making above about the entire story being a deux ex machina, with Frank as the mouthpiece of God.
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Post by crisweaver on Nov 11, 2003 12:19:22 GMT -5
i agree i dont think he had to die i think he made the choice to follows "gods master plan" as he realised there was a god.
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Post by Swordsman on Nov 11, 2003 18:43:54 GMT -5
would that not explain the sign on the movie theater's marquee, about the showing of "The Last Temptation of Christ," implying that Darko had a choice to make that would change his life and the lives of others.
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Post by k8bcronic on Nov 13, 2003 18:34:49 GMT -5
What were the two punks doing in Sparrow's cellar
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Post by joseluis on Nov 14, 2003 3:45:58 GMT -5
cronic...
They were trying to steal something. It was said earlier in the movie that Roberta had some very valuable stuff and people tried to steal her often...
JL
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Post by so last summer on Nov 14, 2003 18:02:40 GMT -5
there's one thing that i jus dont understand. If the tangent universe was created when donnie escaped death then why did frank lead him away?
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Post by JoseLuiS on Nov 15, 2003 6:10:43 GMT -5
The engine itself triggered the tangent universe because it was coming from the future (not the fact that DD escaped it)
Frank had to make sure that the living receiver (DD) would close the tangent universe by making the engine fall into the past again (at the end of the movie).
That´s at least my understanding
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Post by EricDraven on Nov 15, 2003 21:38:24 GMT -5
Sup Everyone? I know I havent been on in a while. I broke my hand and havent been able to type but I can stand it now. Anyway listen to this story I heard on TV, a true story. This boy was killed by this bullet that came out of no where,there was no shots fired anywhere and the type of gun capable of shooting this bullet is very rare, like only 100 in the world. So of course the bullet was rare and expensive,but no one around heard anything, the boy, no one knew,was walking down the street and all of a sudden just fell over dead. I just got thinking what if he just closed a tangent universe is his own little world? Kinda creepy with all the details being read and how you can compare the situation to Donnie's...(twilight zone theme)
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Post by MrNobody on Nov 16, 2003 0:43:41 GMT -5
I think that all of your theries are good but I have one question about the eye thing.
If Donnie shot Frank in the eye on purpose the "second" time because he knew Frank had to have an eye wound, then why did Donnie shoot Frank in the eye the "first" time?
The "first" time Donnie wouldn't have "known" to shoot Frank in the eye unless Frank came to him before that and this is some kind of infinite time loop.
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Post by EricDraven on Nov 16, 2003 9:15:48 GMT -5
ok, Frank from that time,the one Donnie saw was from the future, he was the maniplated dead. Remember in the tangent universe both the manipulated living and dead are there to help the one who opened the tangent universe to close it,and then again, yes the whole crazy cycle time loop,just like the plane engine,people say there are two but no there the same one
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Post by Chris T on Nov 17, 2003 12:50:10 GMT -5
Just one Frank. Just one shot. Just one engine. TWO universes.
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