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Post by jaymoyes on Aug 14, 2006 19:53:55 GMT -5
I'm really kind of stunned by the story. "The Destructors" obviously has it's own path and interpretation, but the notion of an unescapable fate really slams it home for "Donnie Darkko". Old Misery, despite how nice he was to others, despite his luck during the war, and despite his attention to the stars, could not avoid the fate before him. The children seem almost as cold and conspiring as the outside forces that seem fit to doom Donnie. Now if they just have a copy of "Watership Down" at the Chatsworth Library
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Post by Twinkle Twinkle Killer Kane on Nov 13, 2006 13:01:46 GMT -5
some of the most remarkable insights yet found anywhere.
couldn't help but wonder, as surely is implied, about the comfortable furniture and tasteful drapes of my own mind: carefully- and well-crafted opinions, traditional heirloomed beliefs, and even the treasured baubles of personality. how often am i willing to do the needed "house cleaning" to clear out the useless and obsolete, however familiar they've become?
"to hit a rock bottom before we can grow up successfully": brilliant. (Dale Carnegie said, once you've lost everything and there's nothing left to lose, you automatically have everything to gain.) reminds me too of the necessary "death" before a new beginning can take place.
and the freedom of responsibility: a refreshing alternative view of what need not be a conundrum. sadly, many adults, myself included, look outside themselves for who or what circumstances to blame or control. it begins within.
thank you ProvidencePortal and thepretender
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Post by thepretender on Nov 14, 2006 1:33:19 GMT -5
>>>couldn't help but wonder, as surely is implied, about the comfortable furniture and tasteful drapes of my own mind: carefully- and well-crafted opinions, traditional heirloomed beliefs, and even the treasured baubles of personality. how often am i willing to do the needed "house cleaning" to clear out the useless and obsolete, however familiar they've become?<<<<
Twinkle...if I may address you by your first name :-)
Oy...what you wrote is just way too close to home...as old threads come up now and then I see that I am very stuck in how I feel about things. I repeat myself a lot! I don't remember the last time I did any housecleaning... literally and figuratively
Sometimes I feel like a broken record!!! :-) P.S. Thank you!!
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Post by Twinkle Twinkle Killer Kane on Mar 20, 2007 12:11:48 GMT -5
"Destruction is a form of creation" especially when one considers de-constructing the very word. to de-struct may simply be to render a "structure" to its component parts in order to prepare for re-structuring, a new assembly from the old order, a con-struction.
amidst the ruins of Old Misery's house, and that of Jim Cunningham's, truth is revealed and fresh steps must be taken away from former ways of being. new eyes are needed to see that it's time for the old ways to be abandoned. (thank you Marcel Proust!)
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Post by thepretender on Mar 21, 2007 21:01:46 GMT -5
That was just great Twinkle...(except that now I have to go find out more about Marcel Proust!)
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Post by Twinkle Twinkle Killer Kane on Mar 22, 2007 11:22:11 GMT -5
"The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes." Marcel Proust
(p.s. to Pretender-don't let this stop you from learning more about Mr. Proust; there's plenty to know! a good introduction might be How Proust Can Change Your Life by Alain de Botton.)
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Post by Twinkle Twinkle Killer Kane on Mar 29, 2007 11:47:12 GMT -5
he was the destructor of the entire Tangent Universe, everyone and thing in it. he was the creator, or maintainer, of possibilities continuing in the originating universe. (he destroys what may be arguably doomed in any event. Frank states: "The world will end in 28 days, 12 hours, etc." WILL end. either way, this is true: all of existence, or solely the Tangent Universe will cease to be at the end of the stated time period.) this adds enormously to the tragic weight he is carrying: realizing that his actions will eliminate all he has come to know, however "tangential" or "unreal". of course his actions will "save" the other universe and everyone and thing in it, but that place has become an unknown to him. he has grown and loved and matured in the Tangent Universe. is he aware that upon his return he will die, chosen or not? if he is aware, then he chooses. and the people there awaken w/ their "memories", hidden knowledge now revealed. and how will they go forward from that moment: altered or the same? these currents underlie our own lives, paths not taken, choices deferred and each may be said to continue on its own tangent route, existing in an unseen other reality. he destroys what cannot last, and creates an opening for new beginnings. that we see him die may simply signify his entrance into a new, unseen beginning for himself (perhaps a return to the pre-primary universe!).
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Post by twinkle on May 5, 2007 22:34:37 GMT -5
"Violence among young people is an aspect of their desire to create. They don't know how to use their energy creatively so they do the opposite and destroy." Anthony Burgess
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Post by thepretender on May 17, 2007 9:16:06 GMT -5
I was driving around this morning and a song that I already knew really struck me in terms of The Destructors.
Here it is: Your Heart Is An Empty Room Death Cab For Cutie
Burn it down till the embers smoke on the ground And start new when your heart is an empty room With walls of the deepest blue
Home's face: how it ages when you're away Spring blooms and you find the love that's true But you don't know what now to do Cause the chase is all you know And she stopped running months ago
And all you see Is where else you could be When you're at home Out on the street Are so many possibilities To not be alone
The flames and smoke climbed out of every window And disappeared with everything that you held dear And you shed not a single tear for the things that you didn't need 'Cause you knew you were finally free
'Cause all you see is where else you could be when you're at home Out on the street are so many possibilities to not be alone
And all you see is where else you could be When you're at home There on the street are so many possibilities to not be alone
I never really thought about it in terms of a relationship going up in smoke but... sometimes when you have to work so hard to make something worthwhile... is it really worth it?
hmmm...it could be worth it in the long run but if your work is to keep the person 'there' it might not be the relationship worth working for.
In this song it sounds as tho once the person 'has' their love...they lose interest and they give up the chase and don't care if their relationship goes up in flames
anyhoo just some thoughts out there
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Post by ProvidencePortal on May 17, 2007 11:39:29 GMT -5
I was driving around this morning and a song that I already knew really struck me in terms of The Destructors: Your Heart Is An Empty Room, Death Cab For Cutie Burn it down till the embers smoke on the ground And start new when your heart is an empty room
I think you're right -- this captures my own interpretation of The Destructors exactly. (Others' mileage may vary, of course.) I also think it's an interesting question about when something is worth the investment to maintain it. I have this wariness about that, which comes from me believing that human beings go through their lives trying to tell themselves a story about what their life is. Their happiness comes from their ability to reconcile that story with whatever else they use to determine reality ... which could be their own perceptions or, for many, the ability of others to poke holes in the story. That's a long way of saying that we can make anything work. Truly anything -- up and through relationships where we're regularly abused, physically or emotionally. We can tell ourselves a story that keeps our character in the scene. And we do ... as evidenced by the pain-filled relationships many of us see all around us. So that makes it an even more urgent and desperate question: if we won't change our stories and write ourselves out of things that are so obviously detrimental, do we have any hope of doing so when the bad parts aren't quite so screamingly apparent? What if it's not abusive ... but it's just not nurturing? What if the person we're with isn't quite personally developed enough yet to get past their own basic selfishness? What if it's us that can't deliver what our partner needs? The lack of a burning platform to jump from makes jumping all the less likely to occur to us as an option, let alone a necessity. Do we have much hope of making change? Can we get up and out of the current structure we've built, and begin building a new one? Can we buck the social pressure and personal insecurity to take a chance that we'll be freed to be even happier over the course of our life? And what's to say, if we somehow make the leap, we won't simply draw from the exact same blueprint and build the same goddamned emotional house we just moved out of? edit: changed a misspelling and a couple words for clarity
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Post by thepretender on May 17, 2007 12:12:14 GMT -5
"And what's to say, if we somehow make the leap, we won't simply draw from the exact same blueprint and build the same goddamned emotional house we just moved out of?"
I visited the same blueprint for many years... let's just say I always seemed to find things in a state of disrepair and being a hopeless fixer of broken things...things was always going to be better tomorrow.
There are some things that just are not fixable...especially when the thing has no desire to be fixed.
What I keep thinking about is being held hostage by your desire to be a good person. A good person doesn't leave, a good person sticks it out, a good person will eventually prevail and in return receive what they have given to others.
But what fails is when the other person knows this about you and uses that as a way to keep you rather than meeting the goodness challenge themselves.
I have never really been able to put those feelings into words and hopefully they make a little bit of sense.
The willingness to change and start anew depends on what you may have invested.
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Post by donniedarkorocks on Aug 9, 2007 20:34:48 GMT -5
Nice, yeah, I found the story online and saved it to wordpad.
It really is great, of course, I probably would never have read it, if it hadn't been on Donnie Darko!
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