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Post by dan769 on Sept 18, 2009 6:39:58 GMT -5
I've made a new DD site for a work project. I wrote a full explanation in there as well as it was easier than trying to explain the movie verbally to my mates. www.donniedarko.org.ukYou can add comments to various pages as well... Be good to know what some fellow DD fans thought  |
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Post by ProvidencePortal on Sept 30, 2009 10:35:57 GMT -5
Well done, Dan. I read through and think you've done an admirable job of design and content.
One thing you might want to add to the explanation section is your own answer to whether or not Donnie had to die. This seems to be a powerful question for people, particularly when they are first exposed to the TU/no time travel interpretation we all generally accept as canon here.
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Post by twinkle on Oct 1, 2009 18:40:33 GMT -5
some very good work. clean & clear presentation, easy to follow & navigate through, looks good: nice design/layout/colors.
good luck with it.
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Post by dan769 on Oct 6, 2009 13:33:16 GMT -5
Firstly thank you both twinkle and ProvidencePortal for your kind comments
Re: ProvidencePortal on your comment about if the Living Receiver should die.
I'm a little vague about this part as it's one of the few things i'm not 100% sure about. All the evidence seems to suggest that the LR always dies. You have the Knight, the Mayan warrior and of course Donnie himself who all die.
The question is do they HAVE to die in order for the Universe to be reset. To me there seems no real reason they must die... it just so happens that they do. If Donnie decided to get out of bed after returning the engine I don't see any reason why that would cause any problems. The Primary Universe has alreday been restored so it shouldn't effect anything.
The only problem it may cause is altering God's channel. Donnie was always meant to die but was saved by Frank. This makes him expendable by God. Maybe he is just meant to die?
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Post by twinkle on Oct 6, 2009 18:53:07 GMT -5
All the evidence seems to suggest that the LR always dies. You have the Knight, the Mayan warrior and of course Donnie himself who all die. The question is do they HAVE to die in order for the Universe to be reset. To me there seems no real reason they must die... it just so happens that they do. If Donnie decided to get out of bed after returning the engine I don't see any reason why that would cause any problems. The Primary Universe has alreday been restored so it shouldn't effect anything. The only problem it may cause is altering God's channel. Donnie was always meant to die but was saved by Frank. This makes him expendable by God. Maybe he is just meant to die? just a thought: perhaps the Living Receiver is fated to die because there has been an aversion of "God's will"/natural order in that, as mentioned above, the LR was in a position to be killed but was spared, temporarily. thus the death must occur to balance or continue the original progression. also, all of the info./memories of what has transpired perishes w/the Living Receiver, preserving the secret mysteries of the entire process. (thanks dan769, for breathing some new life into this board) |
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Post by twinkle on Oct 6, 2009 18:58:24 GMT -5
The question is do they HAVE to die in order for the Universe to be reset. To me there seems no real reason they must die... it just so happens that they do. If Donnie decided to get out of bed after returning the engine I don't see any reason why that would cause any problems. The Primary Universe has alreday been restored so it shouldn't effect anything. i would agree w/your comments here: the death(s) do not seem necessary as a prerequisite for restoration of the Primary Universe. |
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Post by dan769 on Oct 7, 2009 14:01:23 GMT -5
Interesting point about maybe the Living Receiver has to die to in order to preserve the secret. It's still unclear how much information the Living Receiver brings back from the Tangent Universe. We see Donnie laughing at the end but that doesn't tell us how much he knows.
If the Living receiver retains alot of the information it could be that Roberta Sparrow was a Living Receiver at somepoint herself. This would explain how she had all the information to write the book. If that was the case then the Receiver doesn't have to die?
I still think it's more likely she was a Manipulated Dead. These people can have a large amount of knowledge of the Tangent Universe and certainly in Frank's case he retains some of that information. He beeps his horn to warn Donnie and touches his eye at the end to suggest he subconsciously knows something happened.
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Post by twinkle on Oct 7, 2009 17:24:49 GMT -5
If the Living receiver retains alot of the information it could be that Roberta Sparrow was a Living Receiver at somepoint herself. This would explain how she had all the information to write the book. If that was the case then the Receiver doesn't have to die? I still think it's more likely she was a Manipulated Dead. somewhere here it's been suggested that R. Sparrow is a failed Living Receiver; not sure how this is arrived at (perhaps to explain her knowledge & authorship of POTT). of course that brings up other questions/mysteries. as you say, maybe the LR needn't die... could be MD but we never see her get killed... |
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Post by dan769 on Oct 7, 2009 22:43:15 GMT -5
If she was a Manipulated Dead it would have been back when she was younger in a previous Tangent Universe. This is when she gave up being a Nun and became a Science Teacher. Perhaps it was God's choice to make the next Living Receiver live close to her?
It seems unlikely ther could be such thing as a failed Living Receiver. Surely that would mean the end of the Universe?
I've always felt if there ever was to be a sequel to the film it should have actually been a prequel and showed Roberta Sparrows life and how she learnt this knowledge. Would be better than that ambombination S. Darko?
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Post by Phil on Oct 8, 2009 8:19:28 GMT -5
failed as in, returned the artifact, but chose different to gods path, having now known it. And therefore those close to her died, leaving her alone.
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Post by dan769 on Oct 8, 2009 17:37:05 GMT -5
I'm not sure that the Living Receiver not being killed by the Artifact would mean those close to them would have to die. If we look at Donnies story Gretchen, Frank His Mum & Sisters fate would be different from the Tangent Universe.
Frank & mrs Pomeroy are key in getting Donnie & Gretchen together. They are playing there role as the Manipulated. The whole chain of events would be different in the Primary Universe. Even if Donnie & Gretchen got together the timing and circumstance would be different. Certainly the plane journey his mum & sister were on wouldn't happen the same way and the plane wouldn't have an engine ripped off.
It is possible they're meant to die if Donnie survived and somehow Death would catch up with them in the end. That is when it all starts to sound a bit to much like Final Destination though and that is not a good thing...
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Post by pika on Sept 11, 2010 11:14:25 GMT -5
the background sound scared me
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