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Post by Afirule on Jul 19, 2004 13:58:16 GMT -5
If you listen to the discussion about the english book donnie is learning about (not sure of name), donnie refers to the ideas of "destruction being a form of creation". this can be applied loosely to parts of the film, donnies destruction and creation. Donnie destorys cunninghams house, just as "sparkle motion" reach their success and will go on to greater things. furthermore, cunningham is exposed at this point as a paedophile. when donnie floods the school, he gets to walk home with gretchen, starting their relationship, creation. donnie of course destroys himself, to create gretchen again, the one that he loves. just a thought, but a fascinating film that has so much running through it.
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Post by bloodandroses on Jul 20, 2004 18:23:31 GMT -5
why does everyone keep saying that without god everyone dies alone? That seems completly untrue to me. I will elaborate if anyone wants me to.
also, destruction is a form of creation because, among other things, it's a law of science(which may or may not have much bearing for you). Matter and energy cannot be destroyed (if i remember correctly from 5th grade, i am uneducated past that level so don't hold it against me). If you burn (destroy)a log, you create ashes, smoke, and tons of other stuff. If you implode a building, you create a pile of whatever the building was comprised of. Also applies to non-physical things. destroy a relationship, create independence. Destroy an illusion, create a newfound truth. am i making sense or do i sound like and idiot?
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Post by justme314 on Jul 21, 2004 16:27:47 GMT -5
please elaborate bloodandroses. because i think people are scared of death and even with someone with you, if you dont believe theres anything after death, it can be a lonely thing or something around those grounds(cant really think now). about the whole matter creating something new, that sounds right to me.
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Post by bloodandroses on Jul 21, 2004 17:54:49 GMT -5
my elaboration: to say that there is no "god" (the christian, monotheistic version called Jehovah most commonly meant when using the word god) is not to say that there is not an afterlife. There are many spiritual paths with many different ideas about afterlife, and i just don't think those should be discounted. As for someone being with you when you die, if you mean *physically* with you, then you're right. That means nothing in the afterlife except the fact that they cared for you enough to be there. But if someone is actually *with* you, like on a soul or spirit level, i believe that would carry over into any religious or spiritual "place" that you could throw at me. Afterlife, heaven, reincarnation, whatever. Something like that stays with you forever. What do you think?
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Post by justme314 on Jul 21, 2004 21:14:04 GMT -5
your right that we shouldnt asume by afterlife means christianitys afterlife(but thats our western culture). and the talk about God in the movie could be a vague refrence about any higher being but most asumed(including me) it to be God(christianity). so if u use it for any higher being it probably works better, cuz if you believe we're all just an acciedent and thats it, when u die with no one *with* you spiritually then thats really lonely. so you kinda answered urself, if u have any belief of anyone spiritually being with u, u dont feel alone when u die. I'm a born agian christian, so i believe even if they dont feel alone their dying alone, but its nice they dont feel it(thats my thoughts). sorry if this is confusing, when i try to express my thougts by typing it gets messy.
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Post by bloodandroses on Jul 22, 2004 15:34:20 GMT -5
so are you saying that in your own personal beliefs, people who are not christian may not feel alone. but are alone, when they die? Also an interesting fact about our "western culture" being primarily christian in beliefs and background- Our backgound as americans is a "melting pot", as we so proudly proclaim. But alot of us whose lines of ancestry go back to england, ireland, or wales (which is alot of us) actually have pagan (not to be confused with atheist) roots. So it's kind of funny that western culture is so centered around christian beliefs when we supposedly are celebrating our different cultures and heritages.
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Post by justme314 on Jul 22, 2004 20:57:34 GMT -5
wow, thank u for asking me that("so ur saying that people who are not christians die alone?") because now i relized thats not even what i meant but it really sounded that way! ok, no those who dont believe in God(christianity) dont die alone, God is always with us. i need to pay attention to what i write. What i meant when i said thats our western culture, i meant that would be like us to assume it meant christianity, not that christianity is our western culture. yeah were kinda messed up us americans. america isnt centered around christianity anymore. It may be a main belief here but we barely even take it serious, most of us think of the hours we had to spend in church when we think of christianity. now all it is to people is this guilty conscience, something were supposed to believe. i hate when people are christians only because thats what they grew up as. they just accept whatever. you know what i mean?i've gotten off topic kinda....
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Post by bloodandroses on Jul 22, 2004 21:13:43 GMT -5
funny you said that (even if off topic). i know exactly what you mean about that. People don't question ANYTHING, which leaves no room for growth of any kind. I like to say, if you've never tried apples, how can you be sure oranges are your favorite fruit? I think i've found a way to link our off-subject-ness back to donnie darko. I actually think that was a theme of donnie darko. questioning everything around you and not being afraid to break through the constraints society puts on you.
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Post by justme314 on Jul 22, 2004 22:32:52 GMT -5
i knew it had something to do with the movie. but yeah even if i'm a christian i still stay open minded, i cant exactly proclaim my faith if i havent questioned it myself. i
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Post by VIDA DEVILLE on Aug 2, 2004 9:01:24 GMT -5
NO ONE IS DISCUSSING WHAT I FEEL TO BE THE BEST PART OF DONNIE DARKO!
TWO WORDS! SPARKLE MOTION THE WHITE SKIN HEAVY PAINTED FACES ON THE YOUNG GIRLS OF SPARKLE MOTION REMINDED ME OF THOSE WOMEN IN THE "ADDICTED TO LOVE" VIDEO MADE FAMOUS BY ROBERT PALMER IT WAS #1 IN THE USA MAY 1986 MY THEORY BEHIND SPARKLE MOTION IS THAT MRS. FARMER PROBABLY SUBCONSCIOUSLY WAS INFLUENCED BY THE ROBERT PALMER VIDEO WHICH INFLUENCED HER CHOICES FOR THE GIRLS COSTUMES HAIR AND MAKEUP. AND THEN THERE'S THE LYRICS TO ADDICTED TO LOVE THAT TELL US ABOUT THE SELF RIGHTEOUS MRS. FARMER HERSELF!
The lights are on - but you're not home Your mind is not your own Your heart sweats, your body shakes Another kiss is what it takes
A one-track mind, you can't be saved Oblivion is all you crave If there's some left for you You don't mind if you do
Addicted to love (Robert Palmer)
MRS. FARMER WAS DEDICATED ALMOST ADDICTED! TO SPARKLE MOTION IT WAS HER WAY OF DEALING WITH THE BITTER INNER CHILD SHE LET DIE INSIDE OF HER A LONG TIME AGO. SHE WANTED TO LIVE HER LIFE VICARIOUSLY THROUGH SPARKLE MOTION ALL THE GLITZ, GLAMOUR, ATTENTION AND APPLAUSE THAT SHE NEVER HAD NOR WILL EVER.
I THINK ITS SAFE TO SAY THAT EVERY PUBLIC SCHOOL ACROSS THE USA HAS A TEACHER/PARENT JUST LIKE MRS. FARMER.
"Now girls... I want you to concentrate. Failure is not an option. And Bethany... if you feel the need to vomit up there. Just swallow it."
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Post by Kris on Aug 4, 2004 15:49:44 GMT -5
You think that Sparrow was really waiting for DDs letter all along? Or that he took advantage of the fact that she looked everyday, so he would write her?
Thanks
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Post by Twitchmonkey on Aug 4, 2004 15:58:25 GMT -5
She was waiting....definitely waiting
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Post by GARGAMEL AND ROBIN on Aug 4, 2004 17:15:54 GMT -5
I THINK GRANNY DEATH KNEW THE LETTER WAS COMMING AND FROM WHOM LIKE THE OTHER PERSON SAID...WAITING
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Post by Abi on Aug 17, 2004 5:15:26 GMT -5
I don't think she knew Donnie would write her, she was just a manipulated living (like everyone else in the movie, she is there to manipulate Donnie into doing what he does and closing the wormhole). She walked back and forward to and from her mailbox everyday because that was where she was supposed to be. Donnie saw her and had the idea of writing her because she's always looking for letters. Therefore, when he goes to her house with Gretchen, Roberta Sparrow was in the middle of the road reading his letter, Frank had to swerve to miss her and consequently killed Gretchen, which drove Donnie to shoot Frank, which the whole of the film leads up to.
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Post by justme314 on Aug 17, 2004 17:19:51 GMT -5
good explaination abi, i agree.
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