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Post by moridin on Jul 14, 2007 4:55:08 GMT -5
I always figured that the tenth chapter of the PoTT explained it pretty well: "The Manipulated Dead are more powerful than the Living Receiver. If a person dies within the Tangent Dimension, they are able to contact the Living Receiver through the Fourth Dimensional Construct."
Since Frank dies in the TU, the manipulators can use him as they want as a MD character/entity.
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Post by Bigboy on Jul 14, 2007 18:28:45 GMT -5
Which gives you the chicken and egg situation - which came first; Donnie Killing Frank or Frank saving Donnie?
You'll have an immediate answer - but think about it - are you sure you don't want to change it...?
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Post by Dangilman on Dec 24, 2010 14:09:30 GMT -5
Looks like your graph is as confused as the Fear/Love graph in the movie itself!
Bottom line: Frank has to die before he can come back. Without a 4th dimensional Frank, Donnie would die in bed the first night. So even if you try to rationalize Frank coming back from the future in the 4th dimension to effect DD in the first instance (no loop), Frank still has to get shot in the eye to appear in the form he takes in the movie.
Even in the loop theory, DD would never live past the first crash to kill Frank.
Even if we suppose God sent Frank to save DD from the first crash, then why bother with all the Manipulated Dead stuff, cuz it would have been God, not a dead Frank entity.
It's no one's fault but the director. No problem though, cuz I don't think the movie was ever meant to perfect the dimensional aspects (that's why they aren't even included in the original film). The point of the movie is to convey the feelings of the characters, pose the God question, and evoke emotion.
If you want to explain it all, you need a God factor to tie in the loose ends. Then you can begin discussing whether there was a loop or not, free will, and Frank's origin. Personally, I think the movie overtly shows the viewer that the events are repeating until done correctly. DD subconsciously understands and accepts every major direction that Frank gives him in the movie, as exemplified by his spontaneous smirking. Plus DD wakes up on the mountain in the beginning of the movie where he would have failed?!
Of course, even my personal theory is easily broken if you interpret grandma death's book to show that the tangent universe exists for only so long (38 days) until it destroys the universe, in which case resetting time doesn't make sense because it's explicit in the book that the universe will destruct.
Yikes!
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Post by godlysparrow on Feb 6, 2011 21:16:28 GMT -5
Well, I think that this universe has been repeated before. The engine can't fall in Donnie Darko's room if it hasn't been torn by the Wormhole, tornado, black hole, or whatever, and Frank can't come back unless he get's shot in the head.
Therefore, there must've been a Tangent Universe and someone must've Time-Traveled. I don't like the multiple universe idea because it doesn't agree with the PoTT(the universe isn't unstable if it's always in existence alongside the Primary Universe, otherwise it will swallow the world either way) and it defeats the whole purpose of Donnie Darko's quest(the tangent universe is still there).
Furthermore, if they are dead in the TU who is Manipulating them? If you don't want to say God, then maybe you could say themselves in the PU. But that means that they must be conscious of themselves in the TU. It is unlikely it is themselves.
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