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Post by Rob on Dec 27, 2003 19:46:27 GMT -5
hi,
I have just seen the Film and read the link two messages back 'Donnie Darko and the light'. It is an interesting premise. But, the Jet Engine that kills Donnie originates in the future whatever he does. Although by accepting death he has negated the negative reprecussions of his life beyond that event, the very thing that kills him is still sent back from the future. In the film, the FAA guy cannot account for the Engine as no Airplanes are reported missing or damaged. All I can summise is that the Engine follows Donnie back to the past and kills him. The split in time occurs when Donnie leaves the house due to Frank. If he were to stay in the house originally, the Engine would not have fallen at that moment as 'time' has not been disturbed and the Plane is still in the (or 'a') future. I feel that Frank is a Manifestation of an alternative future rather than a linear one and his influence on Donnie's universe causes things to go pear shaped and make both realites ultimately merge. In other words, if Frank was part of Donnies linear future, why would the sky fall in if he was doing what he was going to do anyway?. This theory does though imply that everything is predetermined and to undo that is pretty bad.
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Post by Predestination on Jan 1, 2004 13:02:44 GMT -5
Presumably Ben's post was predestined?
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Post by 6ftbunnyrabbit on Jan 1, 2004 16:23:21 GMT -5
also gretchen says "darko,what kind of a names that, sounds like a super hero" to which he replies "how do u kno im not" and he acts as a hwero by traveling back in time.
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Post by Rich on Jan 5, 2004 7:15:32 GMT -5
If the tangent universe was created by Donnie cheating death and was only reversed by the guidance of Frank and others to ensure Donnie went back in time to get killed by the engine. Then why did Frank lead Donnie out of bed in the first place?
I must admit this film has been giving me a brain drain ever since I saw it.
I'm sure we will get to the bottom of it soon.
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Post by little star on Jan 10, 2004 21:06:26 GMT -5
okay I've watched the film 3 times now and read the philosophy of time travel and after reading all these posts this is my theory I first thought that the tangent universe occured when the jet engine sheared off the plane and into the past/tangent universe, but then I made my sister watch the film, and she said something that a lot of you are saying, and that is if frank as the manipulated dead was supposed to guide donnie into being smushed by the jet engine then why would he get him out of bed in the 1st place? So my theory is that the tangent universe actually occurs as a corruption of the primary universe...like an offshoot, before the jet engine crashes, because I realised that unless the rules of the tangent universe where already in effect pre-crash then how would frank be able to contact donnie if he was still in the primary universe? Therefore the artifact (jet engine) must have crashed into the tangent universe via a worm hole, and it was donnies job, as the living reciever to return the artifact to the primary universe thus closing the tangent universe or alternative future before the world ends. So considering this frank had to contact donnie and move him out of the way of the jet engine because they were exisiting in the tangent universe and if donnie had got smushed there and then then there would have been no-one to move the jet engine part back into the primary universe. Donnie then sees throught the bizzare tangent universe what would happen to everybody if he were to live and so when he sends the artifact backin time into the primary universe he makes sure he stays awake so that he doesnt sleep walk away and the alternative universe as he saw it never occurs. did any of that make sense? this film seriously messes with your head
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Post by me on Jan 17, 2004 23:55:35 GMT -5
or maybe donnie just dreamed the whole thing.
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Post by Jake on Jan 21, 2004 8:06:17 GMT -5
Dark M - I think at the beginning he is smiling because he just woke up and discovered he had this awesome view of the carpathian ridge. I'd smile too if I woke up with that view...
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Post by Peto on Jan 27, 2004 5:07:12 GMT -5
Thanks to everyone for posting. Really cleared stuff up for me. I agree with the theory that it kind of is like God showing Donnie that we are not alone. God/Manipulated Dead/Frank told Donnie to smash the water pipe and he ends up meeting gretchen, so he knows what love is like, and he can die happy. He tells donnie to burn down the house of the perverts so donnie's parents can go away, they can go away, and ultimatly, donnie gets layed. Also, donnie is being understoof by his parents in the end by my opinion, so it's kind of like showing what you felt and are missing, now it could sound cruel, but it just showing Donnie that yes, you do die alone, but people cared for you. altho I'm sure there will be coments on my dying alone part. because that's one thing I'm actually not too sure about:P someone e-mail me if you think I'm an idiot, or agree, but think I should know something, because this is one of my all time favourite movies, thanks, vincentmune@hotmail.com
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Post by manmadeprotest on Jan 31, 2004 9:16:20 GMT -5
Anyone ever noticed the short conversation bw drew barrymore and the science teacher boyfriend? Drew says "so its donnie." now we know that the science teacher has read the philosophy of time travel, so both of them now know of what is to occur.
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Post by Pax on Feb 4, 2004 23:02:35 GMT -5
ManMade, actually, I think what is said is: Monitoff says "Donnie Darko" and Pomeroy, (wife, actually) responds "I know." In the DVD commentary, Kelly states that they can feel that something important is happening and that Donnie is the epicenter, but they can't delve further than that. But you're right, they do feel something, they know something is up. Check the DVD, it's worth the scrill and time. Peace.
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Post by theoz on Feb 5, 2004 10:58:09 GMT -5
i'm just throwing this out there, probably wrong, but oh well. i feel that when donnie time travels at the end of the movie, that it isn't the first time he did so. in order for the jet engine to fall on the house in the first place, it has to get caught up in the wormhole that donnie i guess creates. i think that donnie made the engine fall on that exact spot so he could go back in time again and be in his room when it happens. i also think that donnie forgets that he has time traveled before. i believe that donnie has seen frank in the future and when he travels back in time the first time, that is the image donnie sees. ya, this made alot more sense in my head, oh well. let me hear what you think.
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Post by manmadeprotest on Feb 7, 2004 10:08:13 GMT -5
Ok mr draven you're really beginning to piss me off now. Number one: you cannot take deleted scenes from a movie and take them as gospel, they were taken out for a reason, and are no longer a part of the movie. It'd be like them having an extended sex scene....it would have been taken out because it doesnt mean enough. I've said evrythin else i wanted to say in my other post.
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C Agent B watched it 3 times
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Post by C Agent B watched it 3 times on Feb 22, 2004 21:57:03 GMT -5
Was it God´s "plan B" Why does God save Donnie from dying by sending Frank, when in the end Donnie dies by being hit from the jet-engine. Donnies time travel sets the story back to the very start. All the story then has never happened. Donnie deletes it, by erasing himself. So what´s the reason for god´s intervention? My conclusion is as follows: I believe that the wormhole is an error in the regular way time goes and even god is not able to correct the error. But God is able and willing to give Donnie an opportunity. So he sends Frank to allow Donnie to meet Gretchen, get to know about Roberta Sparrow, timetravel and do his good deeds. After Donnie decides to sacrifice himself you see the scene, when Gretchen meets Donnie´s Mother. They look at each other and one might assume, that there is some kind of "connection" between the two persons. It appears as if though Donnie has died, his acting somehow remains in the special relationship between Donnies mother and Gretchen. I believe that the love he spent survived through of the time-travel. Maybe this "conservation of love" is everything god could do for Donnie. He wasn´t able to correct the error in time. The appearance of the wormhole that must have lead - in either way - to a catastrophe in Donnies life was accidental. Either Donnies death or the unbearable deaths of his hearted-ones were inevitable due to the error in time. in God´s eyes it must have been a tremendous but incorrecable injustice. So God at least gave Donnie the opportunity to conserve the love he gave to a small ammount and thus to decrease the extension of his inevitable tragedy. I would like to know what you think about my theory. Do you also think, that the conservation of love ("proven" in the Gretchen-Mother-Scene) is more or less God´s plan B as he couldn´t correct the consequences of the Error in time?
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C Agent B watched it 3 times
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Post by C Agent B watched it 3 times on Feb 22, 2004 21:58:46 GMT -5
if you like, send me an eMail -chb-@web.de
ThX
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Post by JT on Mar 10, 2004 1:26:10 GMT -5
Nice idea. It could even work without the ship. If there are wormholes in this universe, they could exist for zillions years. It's probable that each of their ends has travelled with different average speed so if they exist, the are in fact natural time-machines. The only problem is when you see a wormhole 'portal', you can't be sure where (and 'when') the opposite 'portal' is. JT "Time can only happen once" This is where you went wrong. We already know we can time travel, in effect we are time travelling now - *if* we could get an object to sit motionless (impossible due to universal expansion) then we would actually move slower through time in comparison to that object; as thanks to einstein we know the faster you go... the slower relative time for you will go, when compared to a slower object. Now, if we were to ignore the bit about going faster than light ( never ever ever mention going faster than light to a physicist) then we can assume that what they meant by their "space ship" was in fact something to hold the wormhole, because then if you put this wormhole in a ship, and got the ship to go near the speed of light for a while, then eventially the wormhole would in effect be a wormhole through time - as its been moving real fast, it's relative time compared to ours has been slower, so when the wormhole returns, it will be a wormhole that connects to say.... 28 days ago? Then if you placed one side of the wormhole at the house (the side in the past) and the other to catch the engine (in the future) then you could move the engine into the past.
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