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Post by insurgente on Dec 29, 2003 20:25:47 GMT -5
i'm sure this has been discussed somewhere (probably loads of times), but i felt impelled to make a new thread, to make easier sorting.
i got into the mindset of believing that every characteraction in the movie has a reason, and this girl seems quite significant. what's it all about?!
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Post by jacob on Dec 31, 2003 17:45:09 GMT -5
the deal is that she helps donnie realise that he wont die alone, (she obviously has a crush on him, (the notebook wityh his name) and donnie is the onkly one that treats her like a normal person. its hard to explain..
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Post by lookrightthrume on Jan 9, 2004 0:58:13 GMT -5
at the talent show part in the movie the viewer is struck by this obvious corruption and conformism in the show audience when they seem bored and untouched by the girl's performance and then are enthralled by the "Sparkle Motion" crap which all represents how society is distracted from this .. life .. thing Donnie and some select few characters are experiancing......and also...where else would Donnie get the strength to put that axe in the mongrels head if he wasn't a suprehero? Kinda off-topic...sorry.
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Post by darkofan23 on Jan 12, 2004 23:33:35 GMT -5
jacob, your post makes no since, donnie dies alone and he knows that he will die alone, there was no indication that he thought he would not die alone, because of his session with his doctor, he would like to believe that he wont die alone but he cant.
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Post by Adam on Jan 18, 2004 17:03:52 GMT -5
No Darkofan, he's right. Donnies one-2-one with the doctor happens before he realises that there are worse things than dying - ie we do not die alone. He finds out about the love from Gretchen, his mother and Cherita later on, and consequently realises that his life has meaning and the search for god is not absurd. Monitoff is restricted from telling Donnie that there is a benevelent force governing our lives, and if we stray from our chosen destinies (ie get out of bed and miss the engine) then we are destined to die alone. This is what happened to Roberta Sparrow, she rejected her "Franks" claims and thus is left alone and will not die until she sends donnie back to continue his chosen destiny. The deux-ex-machina - she saves the day and (from the darko website) dies shortly after the incidents. Argh!! confusing stuff - can someone find me a cellar door . . .!?
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Post by DonnaDarko on Jan 20, 2004 18:22:14 GMT -5
If i could i would Adam, nice way to put ur words
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Post by cellardoor on Jan 20, 2004 18:44:14 GMT -5
someone asked how he got the strenght to put the ax in the statue... if u read the philosopy of time travel, it says the person who recognizes the tangent universe (donnie) can control fire and water. (flooding of the school, burninf of cunningham's house) it also says that the "special person" gains great amounts of strength.
read the philosophy of time travel book!
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Post by Teilhard de Chardin on Jan 24, 2004 17:56:46 GMT -5
Is that an offer darkofan? ;D lol if your anything like grandma death youve got a chance lol
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Post by Frenzal on Jan 27, 2004 19:50:07 GMT -5
Roberta Sparrow is just another messenger in the tangent universe, she wasn't put in the same situation as Donnie. She was a nun, divine intervention told her to write a book and wait for a letter. If R.Sparrow had been put in Donnie's situation and decided not to 'die', then the space time continuum would have just collapsed and she would have died anyway, so Donnie wouldn't have been born etc. according to R. Kelly. And by 'dieing alone', Richard Kelly doesn't mean literally, it's all reference to the afterlife and whether God exists or not.
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Post by urticadioca on Aug 6, 2006 22:42:37 GMT -5
Cherita Chan & Donnie's relationship reflects the honesty of art (dance) and love...to act as a counterpoint to the Jim Cunningham / Kitty Farmer who promote the almost sleazy Duran Duran act, have no sense for truth, wisdom or the complexity of the human spirit. Patrick Swayze is adeptly caste as one trapped in the hypocrisy of the 80s, whereas Cherita & Donnie represent the eternal values of truth and sacrifice. It's the old dichotomy of Plato between success (Kitty) and excellence (Cherita), which is further underscored by Cherita's vulnerability.
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Post by ProvidencePortal on Aug 7, 2006 11:07:52 GMT -5
I like this -- juxtaposing the Sparkle Motion performance and Cherita's does seem to say something about purity and love ...
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Post by jaymoyes on Aug 14, 2006 19:19:46 GMT -5
Something dawned on me trying to make my way through the director's commentary. When Richard and Kevin weren't talking about Fargo, Richard mentioned the DD reference to super heroes I could be wrong (dangit, I'm gonna have to return the director's cut to netflix sometime), but there are only a few people with names starting with the same letter. Freddy (the high school friend of Donnie's parents who said he was doomed), Donnie, and Cherita Chan. The director could just be fucking with us, but Cherita could be next in line to be a Living Reciever. Never mentioned was if Cherita was on medication, needing a therapist, etc. It is obvious she knows something and has some capacity for greatness on her own. Could it be that the earmuffs are to shut out a world she's terrified of? She moves one to hear a the conversation between Donnie and the science teacher...through a classroom wall. My bigger question is, what happened to poor Eddie (grasping at straws here and what happens when they get to the AA's?
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Post by twinkle on Apr 21, 2007 0:37:39 GMT -5
watching it recently (tonight!) i again had the thought that Cherita is some kind of an angel or observer, entrusted to watch over Donnie, perhaps to see if he is finding the right path. her hovering at the periphery (not really a member of the group), her "otherness" (she is the only non-anglo besides the head custodian), her listening, all give her an air of outsider looking in. and her book w/"Donnie Darko" written on it could be a "manual" or observer's notebook (!). Cherita's performance in the talent show, as the "Autumn Angel", speaks to winged creatures and a graceful connection to matters "not of this earth": flight, rising above the world. also, there is the suggestion of death and the beyond: autumn and the dead leaves, the white birds and Cherita herself dressed in white as spirits, or angelic beings. in the "Mad World" awakening sequence she is the only one seen smiling. could she be pleased w/Donnie's progress? or is she simply looking forward to new earmuffs for Christmas?
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Post by thepretender on Apr 21, 2007 1:01:49 GMT -5
Time for me to watch it again too!!! I hope I see what you saw Twinkle ... cuz that is just the loveliest idea!
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Post by Omnipotent on Apr 21, 2007 9:42:17 GMT -5
Can you explain the character of Cherita? Richard Kelly: I like to call her my ‘Mike Yanagita.’ Remember Mike Yanagita from “Fargo?” He hits on Frances McDormand at the Radisson. They have Diet Cokes at the Radisson and he comes on to her. If the Coen Bros. didn’t have final cut, a studio executive would have demanded that they cut that scene because it doesn’t make sense, it doesn’t contribute to the plot. But if you really pay attention to “Fargo,” that scene is really pivotal to Frances McDormand’s character because when she finds out that Mike Yanagita is completely lying about his wife dying, that it was a complete lie, she’s just shocked that she could have been lied to. She’s such a trustworthy person and it makes her go back to William H. Macy’s car lot to question him again. So the Mike Yanagita scene is actually really, really important on a character level. On a plot level, it’s superfluous and it’s just the Coen Bros. just being weird or self-indulgent maybe. But I think it’s a great pivotal scene for character reasons and I think that’s probably what they thought, too. Using that metaphor for Cherita Chin, she contributes nothing to the plot at all. She is extraneous and superfluous, but that moment where Donnie is wearing the earmuffs couldn’t exist were it not for Cherita Chin. That is a very important character moment.
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