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Post by darkmystic on Nov 17, 2003 18:19:51 GMT -5
Aye(no pun intended) Frank was only shot in the eye once. What Donnie saw was a 'ghost' of Frank from the future.
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Post by Eavan on Nov 23, 2003 10:00:58 GMT -5
Ok,
So what if it turns out that everybody is wrong in the first place. That the notes in Sparrows book are wrong, too? Maybe Frank is the chosen one, and he's close to Donnie's family so he knows about Donnie's sleepwalking problems and his emotional problems. He is already a screwed up kid anyway so Frank knows he will be open to anything. the manipulated living will do anything for the living receiver, because the m.l. is afraid. If Donnie falls in love with Gretchen, he will die for her, and so Frank manipulates Donnie in a selfish way, so Frank will live and Donnie will die. The drawings from Frank are his ideas for a Halloween costume, and when all is over, he remembers a bit of what happend.
;D Eavan
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Post by BloodyGirl on Nov 23, 2003 14:37:17 GMT -5
Hey all... darn good thread goin here! I just found this, so excuse me while I catch up.... Darkmystic, you wrote, in regard to "evidence" of DD travelling from the present to 1988 that, "it [being your point] creates a reason for the portal to have opened in the firstplace.... It creates a motivation for Donnie and explains much of Gretchen's dialog. Don't forget her line about going back and replacing darkness with something better is repeated twice....." I must say that I do agree with you. To help support your theory, recall DD and Gretchen's dialogue as they walk home together after finding out there is no school due to the flooding. Gretchen notes that DD has a weird name... "Sounds like some kind of superhero." DD takes no offence, looks straight at her and says something like: Who's to say I'm not. Ahhh, the foreshadowing and all that that little dialouge can reveal! I love this movie more and more as I read these threads! Keep On! BloodyGirl
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Post by bloodygirl on Nov 23, 2003 15:42:01 GMT -5
[glow=orange,2,300]I've got a question...[/glow] Using any one of the theories presented by the people here, what does the chinese girl (Conchita) resemble?? She's quite and left out of "the crowd", but she's some how prominent in the movie. 1) She has a secret crush on DD and DD is nice to her. 2) When Drew Barrymore's character goes outside to the playground and yells "FUUUDDDGGGE" (you know what I mean), Conchita is there quietly listening... and Drew's character some how relates to her or connects with her in that moment. 3) At the end of the movie, she, like all others close to DD, feel some sort of shift or change when the wormhole closes. Why does she feel something? How is she connected?? [glow=red,2,300][shadow=red,left,300]BloodyGirl[/shadow][/glow]
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Post by bloodygirl on Nov 23, 2003 15:42:35 GMT -5
[glow=orange,2,300]I've got a question...[/glow] Using any one of the theories presented by the people here, what does the chinese girl (Conchita) resemble?? She's quite and left out of "the crowd", but she's some how prominent in the movie. 1) She has a secret crush on DD and DD is nice to her. 2) When Drew Barrymore's character goes outside to the playground and yells "FUUUDDDGGGE" (you know what I mean), Conchita is there quietly listening... and Drew's character some how relates to her or connects with her in that moment. 3) At the end of the movie, she, like all others close to DD, feel some sort of shift or change when the wormhole closes. Why does she feel something? How is she connected?? [glow=red,2,300][shadow=red,left,300]BloodyGirl[/shadow][/glow]
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Post by QEverything on Nov 24, 2003 3:32:05 GMT -5
i have realized so much from reading your conversation directly after watching the movie, but still am unsure of the lot of things which transpired in the movie. 1) in the ending where donnies g/f waves to the mother, would that be the the beggining of frank never got donnie out of his room, and if it was the beginning the rest of the movie would never have happened. more questiones to come later. so confused
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Post by cellardoor2 on Nov 24, 2003 4:02:57 GMT -5
hey all i just stumbled upon all this and im soo intregued by it all!
Darkmystic, you wrote about DD travelling from the present to 1988 and this is a very interesting theory. i was talking with my ma and she was really confused by the beginning because i was sure that he had sleepwaled to the place where we see him at the beginning. but he had a bike. and ma was like "you cant ride a bike while you sleepwalk." which fair enough, makes sense. so im thinking to time travel you need some sort of metal object or whatnot and hey hes got a bike. its metal! hahaha i dunno just a thought.
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Post by Chris T on Nov 24, 2003 9:29:20 GMT -5
No, theories on traveling back from the present are just not valid. can everyone just drop it.. ok? please.
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Post by QEverything on Nov 24, 2003 11:06:33 GMT -5
so chrisT if we are dropping the time travel theory then thats fine but then how does the movie make any sence what so ever, what makes the events happen in the way that they do and then would that make frank after he has been shot a figment of DD's imagination? then if he was, how did DD know that he would later shoot Frank in the eye, later in the movie?
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Post by QEverything on Nov 24, 2003 12:16:00 GMT -5
so if this next thought is correct i think that it would answer like 75% of the questions related to the movie. ok here goes, so at the end when DD's g/f gets run over buy frank, and DD still has her in the car, lets say that DD figures out time travel or at least his"worm hole" related to his track in life( comon its a movie guys, suspend disbelief),to make it so he never meets her and she is still therefore going to live, lets say that this is DD's ultimate sacrafice. DD would rather see his g/f live than he live. and at the very end of the movie where DD's g/f waves to his mom, lets say that this is the true track of life had frank not gotten DD out of his room. ok heres another thought, you were talking about god ealyer in the conversation so if you forgot re-read it, I think that Frank may actualy be god, I mean think about it, when he gets DD out of the room that could be considered an act of god, the engine falling also and act of god.(only god having the power to change or manipulate each persons given path) heres another suporter to this theory, when Frank(God) tells DD to burn the house down and it uncovers the child porn ring, all these different evens lets say are gods tests of DD cause his true path is to die, so b4 he dies he must be tested. Bringing his g/f back is DD's ultimate sacrafice and his final test. this is the reason for the strangeness at the end of the movie between DD's g/f and the mother. cause they know for some reason that they are connected, they both loved DD weather they know it or not. HEY LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK< PEACE QEVERYTHING
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Post by Emmaengland on Nov 29, 2003 9:56:52 GMT -5
This is great and all, but I must interject that this is not a real situation, or a real book. Please calm down. The writer and director probably did not read so deeply into it. Same as 'Adaptation' and 'The Hours'. However DD is one of my faves.
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Post by Chris T on Dec 1, 2003 9:54:09 GMT -5
Jesus Christ! Frank is not God. Frank is a person who dies and is manipulated. And by the way, I did not say disregard TIME TRAVEL. I said Disregard TIME TRAVEL FROM THE PRESENT DAY.
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Post by John A on Dec 2, 2003 7:28:27 GMT -5
Right here is my interpritation of the events in the film based on both the movie and the website. By no means am i saying this is the correct answer cause for all i know is that RK doesnt even know what happened, its like an ink blot.
Film opens in the Primary Universe. (1 Donnie)
Parrallel Universe opens, creating new world, including 'New Donnie'. We now follow this Donnie not the original Donnie.
First sign of this universe occurrs. (The Engine)
The Artifact (the engine is in parrallel universe not original universe.)
New Donnie is the Living Reciever.
New Donnie has set time to return artifact to original universe before parrallel universe colapses forming a black hole in the original universe, which would kill everyone there.
New Donnie uses his powers to send engine through portol, dies in the process (Alternate outcome possible but too long to add in here). Original world is now in the clear.
Note : I dont think Donnie actually travels back in time but there were actually 2 of him and for that matter 2 of everyone else.
We switch back to follow original universe.
The engine now travels back in time into the original universe and lands on poor original Donnie.
This leaves 2 major questions.
1. Where the hell does dead Frank come from?
2. Why does Original Gretchin wave?
Please before you shoot down my idea, remember it took me ages to type and my head really hurts now!
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Post by phishpac on Dec 3, 2003 1:08:41 GMT -5
The guy in the red jumpsuit is him, yes. I havent seen the movie in a while, could someone tell me at what point in the movie, and in what scene the guy in the red jumpsuit appears ?
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Post by phishpac on Dec 3, 2003 1:10:55 GMT -5
Right here is my interpritation of the events in the film based on both the movie and the website. By no means am i saying this is the correct answer cause for all i know is that RK doesnt even know what happened, its like an ink blot. I think you make a great point here. The movie in my opinion IS an ink blot. I think RK intentionally left it open to interpretation.
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