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Post by Madridarko on Dec 9, 2004 18:07:03 GMT -5
but Cunningham does not die in the Tangent Universe like Frank, he dies in the Prime Universe.
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Post by Madridarko on Dec 10, 2004 19:27:54 GMT -5
because he does die in 1988, just in the normal universe, he dies after donnie saves the world and dies. But in that same year, I belive in a car crash but I'm not sure
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Post by just saw the movie on May 13, 2005 14:42:00 GMT -5
ok, this is an old thread, but hey! I was just wondering... Is it written/said anywhere that if you're a manipulated dead, you can only show yourself to donnie darko the way you looked like right after you died? Cause I was thinking, and please tell me if it's impossible, or if it's been questioned before, that maybe we are only shown the MD Gretchen. That the "living" Gretchen is somewhere else. We never see her family, she is a new student, they're never at her home(I haven't seen the deleted scenes...), and when the car is coming, it's like: get uo woman!, you're strong enough to scream DONNIEH!, but not to roll your body away a couple of metres?! oh, 'come on! but then, Of course, we never see her using any powers. Or maybe they were used to seduce him... Another thing, ignoring what I just wrote above. If you are a MD, can it mean that "the living character" is not a manipulator in any way. 'cause if they were, wouldn't living Gretchen and living Frank also been mentioned as ML in the list? And that way, it would be pretty romantic that Gretchen was the only person that was 100% real to Donnie . Even though she kinda influenced him a lot to make his final decision...
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Post by Bigboy on May 13, 2005 15:06:00 GMT -5
I think that everyone in the TU (except the LR) is assumed to be manipulated living, until something changes that, i.e. death. I think that they weren't labelled ML in the list because it's simply assumed that if you are MD you must have started as ML.
I think that it's possible that we see MD Gretchen (though I couldn't say when!), but I don't think we only see MD Gretchen. For Gretchen to become MD, her ML self must die, and she dies because of her relationship with Donnie, which leads me to belive that we must see ML Gretchen for a majority of the time for her to build that relationship.
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Post by just saw the movie on May 13, 2005 15:30:32 GMT -5
yeah... I really did not think this through Always appreciate your wise words BB well... almost always
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Post by interested person on May 13, 2005 17:41:44 GMT -5
which thread did you get this idea originaly come from.
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Post by just saw the movie on May 15, 2005 6:03:41 GMT -5
I'm sure it is an interesting question, I just wish I could understand it, or at least know if it was directed to me
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Post by Madridarko on May 17, 2005 23:52:22 GMT -5
ok, this is an old thread, but hey! I was just wondering... Is it written/said anywhere that if you're a manipulated dead, you can only show yourself to donnie darko the way you looked like right after you died? I think that the only fact we have to be able to conlude on this is that Frank's appearance is with the bullet in his eye, which would lead us to supposing that the only form of apparition is in the state the physical body died, but anythign is possible, if MD are so powerful, they could just regenerate their physcial appearance.
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Post by Reed on Jun 12, 2005 4:24:45 GMT -5
OK, this was asked before, but no one answered the guys question cause his english was bad. But if frank is manipulated dead, then why isnt gretchen manipulated dead? My thought was that she wsan't manipulated dead because she was going to die in the primary universe anyway. But I suppose she could be MD and just using a different tack. It was her time spear that made Donnie leave the party. Or perhaps the MD Gretchen directed ML Frank instead of Donnie? I mean, why the hell else would he leave a keg party to go buy beer?
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Post by georgia on Jun 12, 2005 6:28:54 GMT -5
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Post by Bigboy on Jun 12, 2005 8:29:07 GMT -5
Interesting - not impossible I guess. I always put this down him being one of the Manipulated Living *, it's necessary for him to leave, so he can be in the position to run over Gretchen as part of the Ensurance Trap. But the idea that Gretchen was his MD guide has a nice "completeness" to it - the idea that each of the 'guided' are manouvered to kill thier guide... * I know he's MD - he's both; his ML and MD selves exist concurrently. georgia - check out the Donnie Darko website and play through - make sure to read the Philosopy of Timetravel when you reach it. You'll find loads of answers there!
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Post by Reed on Jun 12, 2005 23:43:42 GMT -5
You shoudn't manipulate dead people. It isn't nice.
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Post by Frankisgodgay on Feb 9, 2016 14:39:02 GMT -5
I believe that gretchen is MD. Maybe she is the one showing the water path? I know that they're are better reasons for the water but just give my idea a chance. Or it could be that the plan to make Donnie finish the job would not work if he knew Gretchen would die in the end. He needed to be so surprised by her dieing that he would shot frank and bring her back. If he knew that she would die he would have tried to save her and then frank would not die and the world would be a black hole.
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Post by JeremyMew on May 9, 2019 14:12:01 GMT -5
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