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Post by innerblackhole on Nov 3, 2004 20:21:09 GMT -5
In the POTT Roberta states that
"The Living Receiver is often tormented by terrifying
dreams, visions and auditory hallucinations during his
time within the Tangent Universe."
So, Donnie is only experiencing these hallucinations and dangerous behaviours after he travels back and is in the tangent universe, so why was he already prescribed medication and seeing a therapist?
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Post by josh on Nov 3, 2004 21:05:06 GMT -5
The basic conditions and population of the TU are identical to the PU. As such since Donnie has been prescribed pills by the therapist in the PU, it is also the case in the TU. Donnie has a "violent" history in the Physical Universe, which continues in the TU, though at the direction of Frank.
The population of people close to Donnie in the TU are almost the same (except Gretchen) as the PU but with different motivation. The manipulated dead of the PU try to manipulate events such that Donnie is in a position/condition to end the TU at the appointed time.
Help me out here Gretchen/GretchenFan/Providence/Mad et al. if I missed anything?
So it isn't surprising that Donnie has a therapist and a prescription in the TU
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Post by gretchen on Nov 3, 2004 21:36:08 GMT -5
excellent, josh  something else to note though is that in the deleted scene we learn his pills are placebos. leading many of us to believe he was never schizo in the first place, and yes frank and the spears ARE only products of the TU. i forgot who it was but someone else brought up that it's possible that donnie WAS on meds and then SWITCHED to placebos to test his progress. this is also plausible, but again, frank and the spears are only products of the TU, if he WAS having his own hallucinations prior to the opening of the film they had nothing to do with frank or the spears or the TU. something else to consider: could donnie's mental sensitivity be the reason he was chosen as the LR? |
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Post by josh on Nov 3, 2004 21:41:41 GMT -5
Thanx Gretchen. Yeah, I should have said Frank the bunny was TU only along with Gretchen.
As for his mental sensitivity, it might explain why he as a productive LR while Sparrow wasn't? Have to look up what those "Iowa" scores are.
Oh, and nice wings!@
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Post by rightfielder21 on Nov 4, 2004 9:23:04 GMT -5
An intersting line to note from Dr. Thurman, was when Donnie told her he made a new friend (Frank) she says, "Real or Imaginary ?"...
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Post by innerblackhole on Nov 4, 2004 17:09:17 GMT -5
Well, I already knew that the manipulated dead frank was only in the TU, so it was just dumb luck that Donnie was the LR since everyone had already believed he was schizophrenic? Like, do you see what I'm getting at?
And I remember reading on the official site something about Donnie trying to escape from jail in 1986, well, the sleepwalking Donnie did. Does anyone know why he was in jail? Or is that just the only clue as to why Donnie was seeing the therapist previous to his hallucinations of Frank?
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Post by rightfielder21 on Nov 4, 2004 18:23:01 GMT -5
Does anyone know why he was in jail? Or is that just the only clue as to why Donnie was seeing the therapist previous to his hallucinations of Frank? He burned down an abandoned house accidentally.... |
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Post by josh on Nov 4, 2004 19:53:24 GMT -5
It is not uncommon in movies and reality for juveniles convicted of violent/anti-social crimes to be required to attend therapy sessions, either as part of parole or sentencing or deferral. As noted by rightfielder Donnie had previously been caught burning down a house. Since arson can be the result of issues best delt with by a psychologist and may be seen as violent/anti-social condition it is not surprising that Donnie is seeing a therapist.
As a movie convention, having Donnie meet with a therapist provides opportunities to talk about things like God, feeling alone, seeing large imaginary bunnies (well actually only one bunny) which don't usually come up in everyday conversation. And if they do, are not carefully explored. See also: Good Will Hunting
So Donnie seeing a therapist who has prescribed him "medicine" is not too surprising based on his character history and screenplay conventions.
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Post by innerblackhole on Nov 4, 2004 21:34:17 GMT -5
josh - thanks a lot I just finished watching the film again and caught the part this time, well, caught and remembered where he said he burned down the abandoned house. thanks again  |
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Post by josh on Nov 4, 2004 22:43:18 GMT -5
No problem. I guess that's why this discussion board is so elaborate and detailed. A large number of details are intersperced through the movie. It takes numerous viewings to catch everything. And even then the meaning and purpose of the various details has many possible explainations.
Your initial posting raises many useful issues. Thanks
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Post by Madridarko on Nov 5, 2004 20:20:59 GMT -5
For rightfielder, I don't really explain myself how she knew how to say that, I mean I would have understood if it was a little bit afterword and she realizes donnie is somewhat having visions, but it is after the first hallucination of Frank. That must mean he must have had some sort of background where he used to see stuff or something.
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Post by Madridarko on Nov 5, 2004 20:39:26 GMT -5
Josh, in your first response to the question you mention that the Manipulated Dead try and manipulate somehow Donnie falling in the Ensurance Trap, actually it is both Manipulated Living and Dead. Only that the Manipulated Dead have more sort of control because they have those special "powers".
I also don't think that Donnie was chosen out of mere dumb luck as the Living Reciever, because in Frank's BR first encounter with Donnie, he said something like "donnie, wake up donnie, I have been watching you...etc...28:06:42:12" which shows that it must have been planned all out because he had been previosly in a way "studied" and chosen to be the LR. Now that I am talking about this scene, it is such a sorrow that they couldn't include the larger version of the Donnie/Frank BR conversation where Frank says "God Loves all his Children" I think it would make it esier to understand and it would related since the begening to divine intervention. Also the water pill/athius scene.
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Post by gretchen on Nov 5, 2004 20:49:16 GMT -5
An intersting line to note from Dr. Thurman, was when Donnie told her he made a new friend (Frank) she says, "Real or Imaginary ?"... like madrid has allured to, this leads us to believe that donnie HAS had previous 'imaginary friends'. that she has had to ask this question before perhaps. she seems so calm and collected asking it, like it's an expected response. and about the extended first scene with frank, anyone who's seen the DC, did they go into this scene deeper or not? |
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Post by Madridarko on Nov 5, 2004 21:11:35 GMT -5
So we can come to the conclusion that he has had emotional problems/hallucinations or imaginary freinds/sleepwalks-sleeping disorders. Seems like his world was a mess. I wonder for what excact sypmtoms were his pills. Maybe they were for all of them, or maybe they were different medication. I dont' seem to recall if it was different pills he was taking as in different types or were they all the same ones. It's hard to tell by the dialouge only for medication and medicine are both plural and singular, pills doesn't help much for they might be referring to him as taking more than one pill of the same kind.
Gretechen I have seen that you have always had that pit bull puppy as an icon. You must not be feeding it appropiatly or anything for as many times I check it, it has grown nothing. I would excpect it to grow some bit in these pasts months. Just joking. ;D
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Post by gretchen on Nov 5, 2004 21:57:20 GMT -5
lol!  ;D i am just attached to that picture i guess lol! |
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