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Post by anal leakage on May 6, 2005 7:43:52 GMT -5
watever u wanna think sweetie
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Post by Omnipotent on May 6, 2005 7:55:24 GMT -5
college is like highschool... right? lol.... No it's just Americans stay in High School for the time we finish High School and College. Hence why the English perception of Americans are you are all dumb. Look at your country's leader, he doesn't help break the image lol.
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Post by Bigboy on May 6, 2005 10:14:03 GMT -5
It's hard to make a direct comparison... GCSE's are the equivalent of a Highschool diploma, but we do those at 16 rather than 18. College we attend from 16 to 18. Depending on the type and number of qualifications you are studying this can be equivalent to various vocational qualifications, through to Higher Diploma or the first year or so of Uni in the US. A degree in the two countries are more or less equivalent, but a good Hons Degree (2.1 or a First) in the UK is considered equvalent to a US Masters degree. A UK masters is equivalent to a very good US masters and PHDs are considered the same.
A lot of confusion comes from the word 'College'. What you call college we think of as University. College here has no real equivalent in the US educational system.
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Post by gretchen on May 6, 2005 10:51:04 GMT -5
i'm just going to ignore the first comment on the page. fucking idiot.
and from what i remember from my brief lesson in the french school system is something like that... which of course may be different than you guys i'm sure. but something along the lines of high school is like middle school and college is like highschool in the US. and university is like college to us. it can be confusing to people who don't have any knowledge of other countries school systems.
and agreed. bush is a moron. i'm moving to canada, i swear.
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Post by greedy on May 6, 2005 12:05:00 GMT -5
Look at your country's leader, he doesn't help break the image lol. true President Bush is not a great public speak but he is very intelligent you can't graduate from yale and not be
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Post by Phil on May 6, 2005 12:33:39 GMT -5
i take it you havnt realised the importance of money or who you know in this world
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Post by Bigboy on May 6, 2005 14:10:49 GMT -5
Very true Phil. Bush is old money in a family with plenty of influence.
According to his bio he got a Bachelors in History. No Honours, and it carefully leaves out the class of degree he achieved.
To be honest you don't need to be all that smart to graduate from university with a 3rd class degree.
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Post by orkad on May 7, 2005 22:55:14 GMT -5
And, unfortunately, the No Child Left Behind Act only perpetuates the problem. It's like trying to put a Band-Aid on a stab wound. It is in countries where students must (really) earn the privilege of higher education that you see kids really trying to make something out of themselves and taking the initiative to succeed.
Now I am American, but my mother came here from Korea and made me earn every grade I got. I might have cursed her then, but I am now extremely thankful for her rigidness in my studies. Six years later, it is my counterparts in high school that had all the fun drinking and partying that are now serving me at McDonald's and Wal-Mart.
I constantly hear them complain that life hasn't given them a fair hand because their parents didn't have the money to send them to college. While they were making fun of us "nerds," we were taking AP courses and getting involved with various extracurriculars (I was on the debate squad) that helped us get every penny of college paid for.
Life is what you make of it.
And while it is not always true, rich kids do get away with murder at times. And if you are female, a really nice set of boobies doesn't hurt either.
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Post by greedy on May 8, 2005 11:25:34 GMT -5
And, unfortunately, the No Child Left Behind Act only perpetuates the problem. It's like trying to put a Band-Aid on a stab wound. It is in countries where students must (really) earn the privilege of higher education that you see kids really trying to make something out of themselves and taking the initiative to succeed. Now I am American, but my mother came here from Korea and made me earn every grade I got. I might have cursed her then, but I am now extremely thankful for her rigidness in my studies. Six years later, it is my counterparts in high school that had all the fun drinking and partying that are now serving me at McDonald's and Wal-Mart. I constantly hear them complain that life hasn't given them a fair hand because their parents didn't have the money to send them to college. While they were making fun of us "nerds," we were taking AP courses and getting involved with various extracurriculars (I was on the debate squad) that helped us get every penny of college paid for. Life is what you make of it. And while it is not always true, rich kids do get away with murder at times. And if you are female, a really nice set of boobies doesn't hurt either. while i agree with you for the most part (i'm an academic team captin) your analogy of a bandaid on a stab wound is for the most part correct however it's more than the past five presidents have done for the children
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Post by ProvidencePortal on May 11, 2005 12:14:26 GMT -5
Six years later, it is my counterparts in high school that had all the fun drinking and partying that are now serving me at McDonald's and Wal-Mart. Life is what you make of it. Exactly right that life is what you make it. But I'm surprised to read what sounds like the assumption that anyone who didn't take a path that mirrors yours is to be condescended to. There are all sorts of personal avenues to success and accomplishment. Clearly, part of yours was to be pushed and driven by your mother, who helped set your goals. But others had parents with a different style, and so took a different path. I'm a fine example of where the 'twain meet. I was bullheaded as a teen, and fought my parents at every turn. So I wasn't particularly thoughtful about preparing for a career. In fact, I picked the least expensive university that would admit me at the last moment, and went there solely on those criteria. I wasn't planful, but I was bright enough (naturally apt enough, smart enough ... however we'd like to term it) to coast along through undergraduate and then graduate school with good grades and honors, all while I grew and matured. Those last two words -- growth and maturity -- are the key ... not the two previous, grades and honors. I wasn't truly on the road to success until I had the personal realization that it was time to dedicate myself to a profession and a career. My university grades and accolades had nothing -- and I mean nothing -- to do with how successful I ultimately would be. I was enterprising, pursued a high-profile internship, parlayed that into a first job, than that job into others of ascending responsibility and compensation ... and now I make truly enviable money in a presitgious job and am considered expert in my field. I share this because I'm passionate about the idea that different people take development at different speeds ... and no single gear is the "right" one at which to grow. By the way, I worked several hourly jobs throughout school. Want to know where I worked while I was in graduate school? Wal-Mart. And if you'd come in, I might have been one of the ones "serving you." My younger brother is a server at a local restaurant; he serves people every evening in exchange for tips. But I have no doubt, knowing the witty, thoughtful and incredibly personable guy he is, that he'll find happiness in whatever he does -- whether that's in a Fortune 100 company, where I find mine, or otherwise. It's a different perspective, isn't it?
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Post by just saw the movie on May 11, 2005 12:24:43 GMT -5
there's something sexy about this last post
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Post by orkad on May 11, 2005 15:31:52 GMT -5
But I'm surprised to read what sounds like the assumption that anyone who didn't take a path that mirrors yours is to be condescended to . . . . . . By the way, I worked several hourly jobs throughout school. Want to know where I worked while I was in graduate school? Wal-Mart. And if you'd come in, I might have been one of the ones "serving you." My younger brother is a server at a local restaurant; he serves people every evening in exchange for tips. But I have no doubt, knowing the witty, thoughtful and incredibly personable guy he is, that he'll find happiness in whatever he does -- whether that's in a Fortune 100 company, where I find mine, or otherwise. It's a different perspective, isn't it? Agreed, Provi. My post wasn't made to offend anyone for a lifestyle choice they determined was right for them. I, myself, made "pocket money" during my college years working at Target and waiting tables at a Mexican food restaurant. My parents ran a restaurant and I worked there from age ten to eighteen. I have never considered such work "beneath" me. I took pride in working hard. While I know that some people regarded my mother as a migrant FOB worker, she was the most content and happiest person I know. The fact that she owned and operated her own business gave her the greatest satisfaction in life. I am incredibly proud of my mother and others out there like her. The difference between my mother and some of my old schoolmates was although my mother chose to go into a "non-traditional," labor-intensive career, she did so on her own accord without the slightest notion of what she was doing was beneath her. She was proud of her work. My schoolmates, on the other hand, blamed everyone else but themselves for the "troubles" in their life. It is that notion that I take exception to. It is the people who complain that can't get ahead enough to move out of their parents' house, but choose to go partying everynight. If you want to make more of your life, you have to do it yourself. No one is going to hand it to you on a silver platter. There are some people out there who are successful not because of their station in life, but of how they perceive themselves. I admire anyone who has the courage to be happy in life by acknowledging how they got their in the first place. So, again, my post was not meant to offend anyone, only voice my opinion on why other countries stereotype all Americans as lazy, uneducated slobs. I apologize if anyone took that message in the wrong connotation.
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Post by ProvidencePortal on May 12, 2005 9:33:47 GMT -5
If you want to make more of your life, you have to do it yourself. No one is going to hand it to you. I am entirely and wholeheartedly in your court on that idea, Orkad. I believe happiness begins and ends with our ability to hold ourselves accountable. And growing up, in many ways, hinges on making the switch from worrying about what other people have/n't done for us, to focusing on what we can do to make it happen. Thanks for the follow-up and for the wise words.
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Post by greedy on May 15, 2005 11:29:08 GMT -5
i have found my true calling a job that gives me much pleasure
blowing things up for uncle sam ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Madridarko on May 17, 2005 23:45:27 GMT -5
i have found my true calling a job that gives me much pleasure blowing things up for uncle sam ;D ;D ;D Perhaps you mean to say... blowing things up for Bush's plan to take over the Iraqi oil fields. (Note Greedy's post; text book example of why people think that americans are stupid) Jk... I wouldn't move to Canada, I would go somewhere in Europe or something. I also have this personal theory in whic Bush is the beggening of the downfall fo the "American Empire"... Face it, all great empires eventually died and disintagrated (Just to name a few prominent examples, the Roman empire, the British empire, and all those other countries which had thousands of acres of colonial land under their possesion, such as France, Spain... etc..) That is why as soon as I finish my education I will jump out of the sinking Luxury boat... Actually I have been looking towards the option of foreing University study, but I'm not sure... I might try to help the boat, but I doubt I will be of much use.
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